Tua returning?

[Mr. Scot]

41 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

With the injury issues he's had he's crazy if he continue to play college football. Make the leap and at least get one NFL contract. 

I'd agree.

Returning to college football would be a huge risk.

[countryboi]

Tua can only make his stock worse...he needs to leave before teams realize he is not the same guy pre injury

[t96]

18 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The Colts did it for Luck. There is precedence. There was widespread speculation that the Dolphins were doing it for Tua this year and then Tua got broken in half.

Dolphins traded several young studs for draft picks which hurt them a lot this year but will help them more in the future. I don’t think they were ever tanking this year just a young team needing an infusion of talent with a journeyman inconsistent QB who chose to play the long game. They were trying to win games, just weren’t good. Bengals seemed to be tanking more than the Dolphins.

 

Colts definitely were tanking though that year, they weren’t even trying to win any games. I probably wouldn’t ever want to blatantly tank for a player like the Colts did with Luck but I could live with trading some of our young studs for future draft picks and sacrifice next year to build for the future around a Lawrence or Fields and other high draft picks we’d have.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, t96 said:

Dolphins traded several young studs for draft picks which hurt them a lot this year but will help them more in the future. I don’t think they were ever tanking this year just a young team needing an infusion of talent with a journeyman inconsistent QB who chose to play the long game. They were trying to win games, just weren’t good. Bengals seemed to be tanking more than the Dolphins.

 

Colts definitely were tanking though that year, they weren’t even trying to win any games. I probably wouldn’t ever want to blatantly tank for a player like the Colts did with Luck but I could live with trading some of our young studs for future draft picks and sacrifice next year to build for the future around a Lawrence or Fields and other high draft picks we’d have.

My luck, if I ever chose to tank for a specific player he'd get Tua'd.

[Go DJ that's my DJ]

40 minutes ago, BurnHurnBurn said:

Buck the trend.  1 NFL contract wont secure you for life anymore.

 Get healthy, Dominate with your Alabama squad, win Heisman, get the Tide 1 more natty, get drafted #1 and begin your pro journey.

any first round pick is set for life.

[45catfan]

9 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Geez, panties still in a wad? I want Lawrence because I think he’s a Manning level prospect and it would be well worth sucking a little more to get him than have another middling year like this and hope that Herbert can beat NO when he can’t beat Boise State, Michigan State and Utah.

I want the Panthers to be relevant again and that can only happen if Cam somehow gets back to MVP levels or we get another franchise QB.

Oh, no, let’s get Dalton so we can go 5-11 and be no closer to being good. We can sign him to another extension and be the Bengals for 5 years. If Joe Burrow is the real deal, then that one year of complete sucking will have paid off for them. If Lawrence and Fields (maybe Tua too) weren’t in next year’s draft, I wouldn’t suggest tanking.

Nope, not in a wad at all.  I get the kid is talented, but is that worth crapping the bed next year?  Now if by some rash of bad luck, this new staff comes in somehow still manages to be the worst team in the League, then sure, go for it.  That's not what you or a few others said or implied.  Tanking is the intentional act of sucking.

Lastly, I live in the upstate of SC, know the Clemson fan base very well and actually a good bit about university itself from firsthand experience.  I know it is completely foreign to the Tiger faithful, but not everyone that steps foot in Clemson, SC gets starstruck and mesmerized.  And no, I'm not a Gamecocks fan.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Geez, panties still in a wad? I want Lawrence because I think he’s a Manning level prospect and it would be well worth sucking a little more to get him than have another middling year like this and hope that Herbert can beat NO when he can’t beat Boise State, Michigan State and Utah.

I want the Panthers to be relevant again and that can only happen if Cam somehow gets back to MVP levels or we get another franchise QB.

Oh, no, let’s get Dalton so we can go 5-11 and be no closer to being good. We can sign him to another extension and be the Bengals for 5 years. If Joe Burrow is the real deal, then that one year of complete sucking will have paid off for them. If Lawrence and Fields (maybe Tua too) weren’t in next year’s draft, I wouldn’t suggest tanking.

Yeah, I can't stand Clemson but Lawrence looks like a sure-fire #1 overall pick barring something crazy happening. Doesn't mean he'll be a great NFL QB but he checks all the boxes as a prospect.

[CarolinaNCSU]

Tua would be insane to go back.  He's going to be a Top 10 lock, his injury history...and he wants to come out the same time as Fields/Lawrence?  Nothing to be gained by going back unless he just loves college.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

I don’t run the team so I can’t tank it anyway. All I don’t want to do is get rid of Cam and also bring in a guy like Dalton, as you suggested.

Either we think Cam will be Ok and we build around him or we do what the Dolphins did and maximize future picks and build around a 2021 QB. Maybe it works and we get lucky enough to get the right guy but I don’t want to go 5-10 or 6-11 with a Dalton like QB. That’s more of a waste than anything else. Go for broke with Cam or a 2021 QB. It didn’t even work for Miami but they gave it a go.

Also, Lawrence may not be what I think he will be but it’s obvious to any draftniks out there that the 2021 QB class is special and if Tua somehow goes back and gets healthy, it will be incredible and I honestly don’t know much about the others.

Honestly, I agree. You either bring Cam back or you blow the whole thing up and no move is off the table. Even something as unthinkable as trading Luke, etc. I think you absolutely hang onto elite young talent like CMC, Moore, etc. But anyone 30+ or closing in on that number should probably be on the trade block.

[CarolinaNCSU]

Also had this argument before on here and see it above, but tanking is real. Not as widespread in the NFL since one guy doesn't always make or break you like the NBA, but it happens.  Now do players or coaches tank?  Hell no.

But you better believe a FO can tank their dicks off.  Trade away key players, don't spend your cap on guys that would help, and set your team up with a ceiling of 4-5 wins?  A front office can essentially order a tank and there's only so much good coaching and average players can get done. It happens and has a few times this decade.  Depending on Cam, I'd also venture to believe we'll see the Panthers do it next year (not re-sign Bradberry or even guys like Addison, make trades to acquire assets, trot out Allen/Grier, etc.).  If we're truly rebuilding going into next year, we'll have to be in the Top 5 pick range and have assets to move into 1/2 to grab our QB. 

[trueblade]

Tua got his Natty so I'm not sure why he'd go back. 

Said it elsewhere, I don't want to have to live through a 2 win season, but if we do, we'd be crazy to not draft Trevor. 

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I don’t run the team so I can’t tank it anyway. All I don’t want to do is get rid of Cam and also bring in a guy like Dalton, as you suggested.

Either we think Cam will be Ok and we build around him or we do what the Dolphins did and maximize future picks and build around a 2021 QB. Maybe it works and we get lucky enough to get the right guy but I don’t want to go 5-10 or 6-11 with a Dalton like QB. That’s more of a waste than anything else. Go for broke with Cam or a 2021 QB. It didn’t even work for Miami but they gave it a go.

Also, Lawrence may not be what I think he will be but it’s obvious to any draftniks out there that the 2021 QB class is special and if Tua somehow goes back and gets healthy, it will be incredible and I honestly don’t know much about the others.

Fair enough.  As for a veteran NFL QB, it's feasible that a change scenery under a new staff can revitalized him.  So that option can't be ignored either.  I know that's not the popular route, but all options must be considered.  We've lucked out twice with Beuerlien and Jake Delhomme.  It's a viable option.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, CPcavedweller said:

I like Herbert and believe that with a Head Coach/QB Coach like Mike McCarthy he would be similar to Lawrence at this level. Hell, put Herbert at Clemson and Lawrence at Oregon and you'd probably have the same results as the teams already had. 

I mean you put Herbert at Clemson? Yeah, Clemson would still be extremely good.  Because they are loaded around the QB and Herbert is good. 

But Herbert is no Lawrence.  Just doesn't have the same physical tools and isn't as good. 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Yep. As much as the PSL folks would hate it. This is a great year to suck. I’d rather know we suck and play all young guys to get ready for the future than endure the 1-15 finishes of the past two seasons. Let that sink in again for the folks that think I’m acting like we aren’t close to being “that” bad. In the past two years we are 1-15 in the second half with the one win being with Brees sitting. We aren’t a good team without Cam and we seem to be getting worse, not better and we have a ton of FAs and bloated contracts (Turner, Paradis, Poe and Short).

Poe is easy to get out from under immediately. Turner and Paradis will be next year. Short... jeez, that was a Hurney special. That one is going to haunt us for several years. It's frustrating, because we were so close to turning the corner on that contract.