Looking ahead to 2020!

[OldNorthPowell]

3 minutes ago, panther4life said:

I don’t disagree with you. I’ve stated multiple times there’s a strong argument for him to have been fired. He wasn’t. There is also an argument to see why Tepper kept him. Should he have based on both arguments? Probably not. But he didn’t. That fact is written in stone. So the constant bitching what can’t be changed is fruitless. It’s the offseason and many other topics to discuss, but you and army like you only want to harp on this same topic. 

Nothing to discuss, as the main problem hasn't been fixed. The same bad decisions will be made on almost all fronts. GM is a very important position in football. It is what it is though, you are right.

[Mr. Scot]

24 minutes ago, panther4life said:

If Hurney shits the bed this year, he’s gone. Tepper is giving him a chance to prove Rivera was the problem.

So either things look up next year or the Hurney era officially ends. Either way it’s bette than the rock bottom we’re at now.

He sh-t the bed two years in a row already yet he's still here.

[Woodie]

33 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No, I definitely don't see why Tepper kept Hurney. There is more than enough evidence to conclude Hurney is a subpar NFL GM and simply calling him subpar is probably being too generous.

If he let Hurney go when he fired Rivera, who would you have wanted to handle all of the GM level offseason responsibilities (such as contracts, FA, and even the draft)?  Please don't give a flippant answer, I'm looking for a serious response.  Who would be the real options?

Pretty much all of the qualified GM candidates are locked up and unavailable until after the draft (we can't even talk to or about them until the draft is over).  It just wasn't feasible to make a change from Marty until after the draft...and I have little doubt that we will bring in his replacement at that time.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Woodie said:

If he let Hurney go when he fired Rivera, who would you have wanted to handle all of the GM level offseason responsibilities (such as contracts, FA, and even the draft)?  Please don't give a flippant answer, I'm looking for a serious response.  Who would be the real options?

Pretty much all of the qualified GM candidates are locked up and unavailable until after the draft (we can't even talk to or about them until the draft is over).  It just wasn't feasible to make a change from Marty until after the draft...and I have little doubt that we will bring in his replacement at that time.

 

That's the thing. Marty is unqualified himself.

Rob Rogers seems like a decent interim.

Rob Rogers has been named executive director of player finance and football research after 10 seasons as the team’s director of football administration. Rogers has been with the Panthers since 1995.

“Rob will continue to handle player finance and contracts, and manage the salary cap, while overseeing a football analytics department that we are in the process of implementing,” Hurney said.

[Woodie]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's the thing. Marty is unqualified himself.

Rob Rogers seems like a decent interim.

Rob Rogers has been named executive director of player finance and football research after 10 seasons as the team’s director of football administration. Rogers has been with the Panthers since 1995.

“Rob will continue to handle player finance and contracts, and manage the salary cap, while overseeing a football analytics department that we are in the process of implementing,” Hurney said.

As unqualified as Marty may be, he's still more qualified than anyone else we could get to do the job.  Believe it or not, it could be worse.

And Rob Rogers is just a numbers and contract guy...basically a glorified accountant.  He hasn't been involved with the day to day GM responsibilities.  He also hasn't been trained to do the job, so he would be woefully unprepared.  To be honest, he probably wouldn't have the first clue of how to run a draft, let alone handle FA.  

And to be honest, I don't think Marty is going to have ultimate authority on what we do in FA or the draft anyway.  He'll just make sure things go smoothly while the new coach will determine what he wants to build the team for his scheme. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Woodie said:

As unqualified as Marty may be, he's still more qualified than anyone else we could get to do the job.  Believe it or not, it could be worse.

And Rob Rogers is just a numbers and contract guy...basically a glorified accountant.  He hasn't been involved with the day to day GM responsibilities.  He also hasn't been trained to do the job, so he would be woefully unprepared.  To be honest, he probably wouldn't have the first clue of how to run a draft, let alone handle FA.  

And to be honest, I don't think Marty is going to have ultimate authority on what we do in FA or the draft anyway.  He'll just make sure things go smoothly while the new coach will determine what he wants to build the team for his scheme. 

Well, I'd rather have a Gastonia pill popping trailer park manager conduct the offseason rather than Marty Hurney, so there's that too.

[Woodie]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Well, I'd rather have a Gastonia pill popping trailer park manager conduct the offseason rather than Marty Hurney, so there's that too.

That's the flippant answer I was talking about (I know you are just being funny). 

It's one thing to not like the guy in the job, but the real crux is what to do when there's no one else that can even do it.  I do think if there was a legit long-term option available prior to FA and the draft that Hurney would have gone with Rivera,  But under the current rules, I just don't think Tepper had any choice.  

[Carl Spackler]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Well, I'd rather have a Gastonia pill popping trailer park manager conduct the offseason rather than Marty Hurney, so there's that too.

They’re all Seahawks and Cowboys and Packers fans

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, Woodie said:

That's the flippant answer I was talking about (I know you are just being funny). 

It's one thing to not like the guy in the job, but the real crux is what to do when there's no one else that can even do it.  I do think if there was a legit long-term option available prior to FA and the draft that Hurney would have gone with Rivera,  But under the current rules, I just don't think Tepper had any choice.  

But seriously, the concern of possibly doing worse is a terrible excuse to do nothing when the present is already atrocious.

[Jared Patterson]

Sign: Jamie Collins, Logan Ryan, Andrew Norwell or Joe Thuney

Resign: James Bradberry, Tre Boston, Gerald McCoy, Mario Addison and GVR (Backup)

[Woodie]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

But seriously, the concern of possibly doing worse is a terrible excuse to do nothing when the present is already atrocious.

There's no possibly about it.  There is nobody employed by the team that has ever ran FA or the draft other than Hurney.  So with so many moving parts to the process, this team would have redefined the idea of a clusterfug.  And as bad as Hurney may be, there have been many GM's much worse...and without an offseason rudder, we likely would have made even them look competent by comparison. 

Sometimes change for changes sake is the worst possible move.  Don't forget, this isn't going to be like past seasons where it was Hurney and Rivera making the decisions, there will be a new coach in place who will have significant say.

[LinvilleGorge]

10 minutes ago, Woodie said:

There's no possibly about it.  There is nobody employed by the team that has ever ran FA or the draft other than Hurney.  So with so many moving parts to the process, this team would have redefined the idea of a clusterfug.  And as bad as Hurney may be, there have been many GM's much worse...and without an offseason rudder, we likely would have made even them look competent by comparison. 

Sometimes change for changes sake is the worst possible move.  Don't forget, this isn't going to be like past seasons where it was Hurney and Rivera making the decisions, there will be a new coach in place who will have significant say.

I hope you're right. As of now, I've lost all confidence in Tepper until he proved otherwise.