The Athletic reports that Marty Hurney will stay on as GM, and is negotiating contracts for Bradberry and Boston

[carpanfan96]

4 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

Who do you believe the coach will be? You seem to really like Hurney. Id like to know your take on the Head Coaching situation

I wouldnt say I like him, I'm just not surprised he stayed and has control. Just like I wasn't surprised when he was brought back. Him taking the sword for Rivera is what allowed him to come back. As for the search,

If its 100% Hurney, I expect Mike McCartyhy to be the Panthers next head coach. Fact that Tepper liked his interviews makes me lean more towards that. 

 

If its 50/50 tepper and Hurney than either McCarthy or Bieniemy. 

[Harbingers]

23 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

Actually no, the job of the GM is to assemble talent, and from the early 00s until now, Hurney has done nothing but draft and acquire high end pro bowl and Hall of Fame talent for this team.

 

How many of those pro bowl/hall of fame players that Hurney drafted have a super bowl ring? 

[Harbingers]

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

So not good, huh?

You're a professional goal post mover. LOL!

I mean now booboo is saying Hurney crafted the 2015 roster. 

[Tbe]

13 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

 

Backup and role players are important, but it's silly to think Hurney couldn't have gotten similar jags.  

 

You really believe that? You’ve conceded that he’s bad in FA. 
 

In my mind, Hurney and Gettleman are the same. Both were 18-19 in the nfl GM power rankings this year. Hurney was better in the first round, and Gettleman was better in FA. Either way, you end up with more losing seasons that winning seasons. We need better.

If you guys think Hurney deserves credit for those two SB teams, then he also deserves blame for those countless losing seasons. You can’t have it both ways.

 

[Toomers]

1 hour ago, bobowilson said:

I've explained why Hurney should be given ~85-90% of credit for 2013/2015/2017 too many times to count.  Hurney created 2 teams (2003, 2015), that should have won Superbowls, and had the talent to do so (if not for poor coaching/officiating).  That's a pretty good track record for a small market team with a bad owner (and he did it largely all through the draft, since I've conceded he's not good with free agency).

At this point people are just being obstinate in not accepting the reality of it

If you want to think we went 15-1 because of Kurt Coleman and Trai Turner, there's nothing more I can say to sway your opinion.

 

Yes you have. And it gets more ridiculous every time  And you run off when presented with FACTS about the team. 
 

   Dead money-15M. 
  Lost value from only DL left on team. 20M cap hit for 5M value(that’s generous). Another 15M And all for the privilege of losing 4M more on 2016 to get rid of him.  

  So that’s over 20% out, from the start. Not too mention 12.7M in RB cap space. 
 

    And once again, 

All the WRs including our WR1 who was injured. 
 

All the DL except the previously mentioned anchor that was CJ

All the OL except Kalil. 
 

All the DBs but Norman. 
 

  Pretty much 80% of the roster. And DG. Spent less on his 80%, than Hurneys picks. And that’s with new contracts and low first year hits for Cam and Luke.  
 

   Where is all this accurate evidence that is so convincing we shouldn’t even question it. 
 

    

[bobowilson]

9 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 

  Pretty much 80% of the roster. And DG. Spent less on his 80%, than Hurneys picks. And that’s with new contracts and low first year hits for Cam and Luke.  
 

   Where is all this accurate evidence that is so convincing we shouldn’t even question it. 
 

    

I'm aware of our SB roster, the problem is, almost all of the guys you're citing were not very good.  Every bad team in the NFL has a bunch of jags on cheap contracts (the Bengals have them, the Redskins do as well).  Literally any GM in the NFL can fill out a roster with mediocre guys.

It's top end talent that separates the bad teams from the good (especially at the QB position).  100% chance Gettleman would have taken Dareus in the 2011 draft.

I mean you're citing our WR corps, as if we didn't win in spite of how terrible they were.  Corey Brown, Ted Ginn, Jericho Cotchery.   Imagine if we had drafted someone more like DJ Moore rather than Kelvin Benjamin (who didn't even play in 2015) when we decided to use some equity on that position.  

I don't think anyone is going to change anyone's mind in these arguments.

 

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

I'm aware of our SB roster, the problem is, almost all of the guys you're citing were not very good.  Every bad team in the NFL has a bunch of jags on cheap contracts (the Bengals have them, the Redskins do as well).  Literally any GM in the NFL can fill out a roster with mediocre guys.

It's top end talent that separates the bad teams from the good (especially at the QB position).  100% chance Gettleman would have taken Dareus in the 2011 draft.

I mean you're citing our WR corps, as if we didn't win in spite of how terrible they were.  Corey Brown, Ted Ginn, Jericho Cotchery.   Imagine if we had drafted someone more like DJ Moore rather than Kelvin Benjamin (who didn't even play in 2015) when we decided to use some equity on that position.  

I don't think anyone is going to change anyone's mind in these arguments.

 

      So all the OL/DL but Kalil is nothing? Because we have seen where that got us. We went 15-1 with those WRs. And we’re cheap. Something needed when wasting 30M off the top. Just going to ignore all that like usual. 
 

   Who drafted and set up the teams that played from 2009-12? How did such a great drafter build a team that went 23-41? He was GM the previous 7 years. Who we blaming that on? 
 

    And now it’s 100% that DG wouldn’t have taken Cam? Sure he could have went with Pickles. 100%?!??  How about a link or proof of that. 

   And top end talent isn’t the main difference at all. This isn’t the NBA. It takes depth. Once again, as this season shows us. 
 

  Just think, if Hurney doesn’t trade a 2913 3rd for Joe Adams, we would have had Terron Armstead.  Or Kennan Allen. 

[ImaginaryKev]

Thread title is really depressing, tbh

[ImaginaryKev]

I hate to beat up on Bradberry but overpaying him makes no sense, and I think coverage is important. The best play he ever made was pulling a slow wr down and taking a penalty when he got beat instead of giving up the td in the final minutes of the game against Philly last year. He's the type of dude you let walk, I'm puzzled by the obsession with him. Puzzled. 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

20 pages of psychobabble about what a great GM Hurney is because something hedge fund

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

20 pages of psychobabble about what a great GM Hurney is because something hedge fund

I think part of the disconnect is the guy seems to believe that if he's convinced himself of something, everybody else automatically should believe it too.

It's like he doesn't understand people think his thought processes and conclusions are full of sh-t.

[MHS831]

The players seem to love this clown--can't quite put my finger on the reason.

 

[Mr. Scot]

10 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

Very true. Question though, is that better or worse then an owner who thinks he's the smartest man in the room and out thinks himself? Not saying that's Tepper just yet, but he's made some weird decisions so far. 

Ask me in a couple of years.

People who aren't very smart and at least understand that don't concern me as much.

People, and most especially people in power, who aren't very smart but believe they are scare the daylights out of me.

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, ImaginaryKev said:

I hate to beat up on Bradberry but overpaying him makes no sense, and I think coverage is important. The best play he ever made was pulling a slow wr down and taking a penalty when he got beat instead of giving up the td in the final minutes of the game against Philly last year. He's the type of dude you let walk, I'm puzzled by the obsession with him. Puzzled. 

He should get a deal in the $10m range-that would be his value.  What we hear him say is probably just his negotiation entry point.

Seriously, if I am Hurney, I sit down in the room with statistics and accolades earned by the top 5 CBs.  I then find the CBs who just signed a deal with the stats and accolades that best match Bradberry.  That is the market value for your client, agent man. We would love him back, but he is not getting $5m more per year than his play dictates.