The Athletic reports that Marty Hurney will stay on as GM, and is negotiating contracts for Bradberry and Boston

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

Not to derail this into tinderbox territory, but if we want to take such a reductionist view of things, Trump must be the greatest president in US history.  I mean, look at the S&P 500.

He happens to be the guy in office, so I'll assume everything that ever happened in the history of capitalism was a result of his brilliance.

 

Except for the fact that the POTUS is the President of the U.S., not President of the S&P 500. That would be like calling Goodell the great NFL commissioner of all time because the Pats are the best NFL dynasty of all time and it's happening under his watch.

NFL GMs have one job - assemble and manage winning football organizations. Sure, there's many facets to that job but at the end of the day your success or failure is determined by whether or not you assembled and managed winning football organizations. 

So... how's Hurndog measuring up?

[bobowilson]

14 minutes ago, Tbe said:

Thanks for glossing over the D line.

Gettleman wasted all of our capital on his precious 'hog mollies', and we ended up with one all pro DT (Short is the only high impact player Gettleman ever acquired in his entire tenure), and one very average DT in Star (who although was not a bust, did not live up to where he was chosen in the draft).

And this fixation on hog mollies was a detriment to the rest of the team that he failed to upgrade.  

Given Hurney's literal 100% hit rate on the 1st round, he would have found better guys if he was never fired (imagine who Hurney would have drafted in place of Kelvin Benjamin or Vernon Butler, and how much they could have contributed to us winning a Super Bowl).  Those two first round busts would have been pro bowlers or high end starters if we kept Hurney.

 

 

[Harbingers]

@bobowilson you still haven’t answered my question.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, bobowilson said:

Gettleman wasted all of our capital on his precious 'hog mollies', and we ended up with one all pro DT (Short is the only high impact player Gettleman ever acquired in his entire tenure), and one very average DT in Star (who although was not a bust, did not live up to where he was chosen in the draft).

And this fixation on hog mollies was a detriment to the rest of the team that he failed to upgrade.  

Given Hurney's literal 100% hit rate on the 1st round, he would have found better guys if he was never fired (imagine who Hurney would have drafted in place of Kelvin Benjamin or Vernon Butler, and how much they could have contributed to us winning a Super Bowl).  Those two first round busts would have been pro bowlers or high end starters if we kept Hurney.

 

 

Now that we're evidently no longer interested in high mollies, how are lines looking?

[bobowilson]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Except for the fact that the POTUS is the President of the U.S., not President of the S&P 500. That would be like calling Goodell the great NFL commissioner of all time because the Pats are the best NFL dynasty of all time and it's happening under his watch.

NFL GMs have one job - assemble and manage winning football organizations.

So... how's Hurndog measuring up?

Actually no, the job of the GM is to assemble talent, and from the early 00s until now, Hurney has done nothing but draft and acquire high end pro bowl and Hall of Fame talent for this team.

Various circumstances (most notably Cam Newton's injuries, which are mostly the fault of Gettleman/Shula/Rivera) have obscured that.  And despite all that, he assembled two rosters that should have won Superbowls (2003, 2015).

Not much more that needs to be said.

[carpanfan96]

15 minutes ago, Tbe said:

We don’t know anything. The only decision Tepper has made was to fire Ron. We don’t know what he really thinks of Hurney yet and we don’t know what he’ll do for a head coach or with Cam. We have 3-5 years before We’ll have a good read on him.

We do kind of, he's letting Hurney have a major role in the head coach search and the assistant gm search. 

[Tbe]

2 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

Gettleman wasted all of our capital on his precious 'hog mollies', and we ended up with one all pro DT (Short is the only high impact player Gettleman ever acquired in his entire tenure), and one very average DT in Star (who although was not a bust, did not live up to where he was chosen in the draft).

And this fixation on hog mollies was a detriment to the rest of the team that he failed to upgrade.  

Given Hurney's literal 100% hit rate on the 1st round, he would have found better guys if he was never fired (imagine who Hurney would have drafted in place of Kelvin Benjamin or Vernon Butler, and how much they could have contributed to us winning a Super Bowl).  Those two first round busts would have been pro bowlers or high end starters if we kept Hurney.

 

 

I’m not making a pro Gettleman argument. But if that D line was so average, why was it so dominate? You’re basically saying we go to the SB only because of Cam, Luke, Olsen, Kalil. If they were enough, we should have had much better seasons before and after.

You’re underestimating how important backups and role players are in football. Superstars can’t win it themselves.

Btw...how many late round picks has Hurney had in his career? What is his success rate when picking towards the bottom (where Benjamin, Vern, etc came from). 

[bobowilson]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Now that we're evidently no longer interested in high mollies, how are lines looking?

I mean if you were to ask most Bills fans, they will tell you Star has been a bust and a massive overpay they're waiting to cut to free up cap space.

Short/Butler are still here, but Gettleman seemed to have a penchant for drafting guys with low motivation who get fat/overweight after they get some money in their pcoekt (also the case with Turner, Benjamin, etc).  I think Kony Ealy is in Montreal playing for the XFL.

So I'm not really sure what the point is here.

 

[Tbe]

2 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

We do kind of, he's letting Hurney have a major role in the head coach search and the assistant gm search. 

We don’t really know that yet. We just know what Some guy tweeted. Could be true, could only be somewhat true. It doesn’t matter anyway since Hurney won’t be making the hiring decision.

[carpanfan96]

1 minute ago, Tbe said:

I’m not making a pro Gettleman argument. But if that D line was so average, why was it so dominate? You’re basically saying we go to the SB only because of Cam, Luke, Olsen, Kalil. If they were enough, we should have had much better seasons before and after.

You’re underestimating how important backups and role players are in football. Superstars can’t win it themselves.

Btw...how many late round picks has Hurney had in his career? What is his success rate when picking towards the bottom (where Benjamin, Vern, etc came from). 

Chris Gamble, Jon Beason, Dwill, DJ Moore were all drafted 20th and back. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

I mean if you were to ask most Bills fans, they will tell you Star has been a bust and a massive overpay they're waiting to cut to free up cap space.

Short/Butler are still here, but Gettleman seemed to have a penchant for drafting guys with low motivation who get fat/overweight after they get some money in their pcoekt (also the case with Turner, Benjamin, etc).  I think Kony Ealy is in Montreal playing for the XFL.

So I'm not really sure what the point is here.

 

So not good, huh?

You're a professional goal post mover. LOL!

[carpanfan96]

1 minute ago, Tbe said:

We don’t really know that yet. We just know what Some guy tweeted. Could be true, could only be somewhat true. It doesn’t matter anyway since Hurney won’t be making the hiring decision.

It wasnt just what some guy tweeted, it's being run by the Athletic by some people who have serious inroads with the team. I've been hearing it since nearly right after Rivera was fired. 

[bobowilson]

Just now, Tbe said:

I’m not making a pro Gettleman argument. But if that D line was so average, why was it so dominate? You’re basically saying we go to the SB only because of Cam, Luke, Olsen, Kalil. If they were enough, we should have had much better seasons before and after.

You’re underestimating how important backups and role players are in football. Superstars can’t win it themselves.

Btw...how many late round picks has Hurney had in his career? What is his success rate when picking towards the bottom (where Benjamin, Vern, etc came from). 

Don't forget Thomas Davis, Jonathan Stewart, and Josh Norman (who was a top 3 corner in the NFL that year).

Backup and role players are important, but it's silly to think Hurney couldn't have gotten similar jags.   The biggest reason we improved as much as we did was Cam Newton coming into his prime (and honestly, Sean McDermott).

And we already discussed all the high end talent Hurney drafted in the later rounds a few pages back in this thread.

 

[Jared Patterson]

1 minute ago, carpanfan96 said:

It wasnt just what some guy tweeted, it's being run by the Athletic by some people who have serious inroads with the team. I've been hearing it since nearly right after Rivera was fired. 

Who do you believe the coach will be? You seem to really like Hurney. Id like to know your take on the Head Coaching situation