The Athletic reports that Marty Hurney will stay on as GM, and is negotiating contracts for Bradberry and Boston

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Snake said:

The assemble part hasn't been great for Hurney. Shown by the fact no one picked him up when JR fired him. It's really clear now Brandon Bean was the only reason we were successful under Dave as well. 

He sat on the couch for what, five years? And never even got so much as consideration for an NFL locker room janitorial position. No one would touch the guy. He was toxic. Then Jerry called him back Gettleman was a meanie pants and Hurney would buddy up with the players. I honestly thought there was zero chance a new owner would keep him onboard for ten minutes after the deal closed. 

[carpanfan96]

3 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Only one of those guys was drafted this past decade and he was a one hit wonder. 

Also it's been said numerous times to you before but he was not the GM when we drafted Smith or Jenkins so you cannot attribute those to him. That's like giving Gettleman Credit for drafting Eli Manning just because he was there. 

He wasnt the GM, but he had a lot to do with that draft. Hurney was director of football operations,  Bushofsky as DPP and Seifert ran that draft together.  

[bobowilson]

6 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Only one of those guys was drafted this past decade and he was a one hit wonder. 

Also it's been said numerous times to you before but he was not the GM when we drafted Smith or Jenkins so you cannot attribute those to him. That's like giving Gettleman Credit for drafting Eli Manning just because he was there. 

I mean yeah, Hurney was fired in 2012, at the beginning of the decade, and only rehired a couple of years ago (Steve Smith was a special teams/return guy his rookie year).  There's no data to really evaluate yet.

Donte Jackson, Ian Thomas, Marquis Hayes, Christian Miller, Dennis Daley, Greg Little, Jermaine Carter, etc, have all shown promise.

But if you expect a rookie or even 2nd year late round pick to have already proved themselves as a Pro Bowler, that's not realistic.  We can re-evaluate those guys in a few years.  I expect a few of them to have very good careers when it's all said and done.

[Snake]

1 minute ago, outlaw4 said:

Marty Hurney may be the second greatest con man in America right now if he convinced this franchise to stay on board.

He's the Sam Bradford of GMs. 

[Snake]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He sat on the couch for what, five years? And never even got so much as consideration for an NFL locker room janitorial position. No one would touch the guy. He was toxic. Then Jerry called him back Gettleman was a meanie pants and Hurney would buddy up with the players. I honestly thought there was zero chance a new owner would keep him onboard for ten minutes after the deal closed. 

Probably going to be Teppers worst move this decade. 

[bobowilson]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He sat on the couch for what, five years? And never even got so much as consideration for an NFL locker room janitorial position. No one would touch the guy. He was toxic. Then Jerry called him back Gettleman was a meanie pants and Hurney would buddy up with the players. I honestly thought there was zero chance a new owner would keep him onboard for ten minutes after the deal closed. 

These arguments tend to always follow a similar path

After it's been refuted that Hurney has a bad record in the draft with pretty objective metrics, the last argument always devolves into some permutation of, "well, how come other teams didn't want to hire him as GM".

It assumes that the market for coaches and managers is somehow efficient, or that the best or brightest get hired.  Anyone paying attention can see that it's largely a network of connection and friendships, where your easiest path towards a job is being the son of someone else who was mediocre at their job.

And we don't even know the conversations Hurney had in those years, as he largely keeps to himself.   I can tell you that David Tepper seems eager to hire/retain him, so that's two separate billionaires who have know sought to employ him.

I think the largest reason Hurney wasn't in higher demand was due to the fact he's not part of the 'club', having come from a non traditional background in journalism and not golfing with the guys who make the decisions.  There is also the argument that he is somehow disqualified for having once worked in journalism, literally more than three decades ago when he was in his 20s.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

These arguments tend to always follow a similar path

After it's been refuted that Hurney has a bad record in the draft with pretty objective metrics, the last argument always devolves into some permutation of, "well, how come other teams didn't want to hire him as GM".

It assumes that the market for coaches and managers is somehow efficient, or that the best or brightest get hired.  Anyone paying attention can see that it's largely a network of connection and friendships, where your easiest path towards a job is being the son of someone else who was mediocre at their job.

And we don't even know the conversations Hurney had in those years, as he largely keeps to himself.   I can tell you that David Tepper seems eager to hire/retain him, so that's two separate billionaires who have know sought to employ him.

I think the largest reason Hurney wasn't in higher demand was due to the fact he's not part of the 'club', having come from a non traditional background in journalism and not golfing with the guys who make the decisions.  There is also the argument that he is somehow disqualified for having once worked in journalism, literally more than three decades ago when he was in his 20s.

 

If Hurney is a competent NFL GM, answer me two questions:

Why does he have a losing record over 13 seasons?

Why did zero NFL teams express even the slightest interest in him during his five years of open availability?

The simple answer is that he isn't a competent NFL GM. Just like Amini Silatolu (who Hurney drafted in the 2nd round) wasn't an NFL caliber OG yet he still started 31 football games for us and when we wised up and finally parted ways with him he sat at home on the couch until we called him back, just like Marty Hurney.

The "not part of the club" excuse is hilarious. If he'd proven to be a competent NFL GM he would've been snatched up immediately, just like Gettleman was.

[Harbingers]

@bobowilson how many winning seasons does Hurney have when he built a roster?

[Ricky Spanish]

14 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

I mean yeah, Hurney was fired in 2012, at the beginning of the decade, and only rehired a couple of years ago (Steve Smith was a special teams/return guy his rookie year).  There's no data to really evaluate yet.

Donte Jackson, Ian Thomas, Marquis Hayes, Christian Miller, Dennis Daley, Greg Little, Jermaine Carter, etc, have all shown promise.

But if you expect a rookie or even 2nd year late round pick to have already proved themselves as a Pro Bowler, that's not realistic.  We can re-evaluate those guys in a few years.  I expect a few of them to have very good careers when it's all said and done.

I agree that it is too early to tell on any of them, but I do think you are much higher on any of them than I am. 

I suppose we'll see but I was not a fan of really any of them as prospects. 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

If Im Cam Im getting out of this dumpster fire ASAP. If Im Trevor Lawrence Im pulling a Luck and going back my senior season.

 

[bobowilson]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

 

The "not part of the club" excuse is hilarious. If he'd proven to be a competent NFL GM he would've been snatched up immediately, just like Gettleman was.

Gettleman actually proves my point more than anything

Was completely incompetent at his job, drafted a bunch of busts in the 1st round, gave out terrible contracts, and still got rehired because Ernie Accorsi has been one of his closest friends and golfing partner for decades.

And of course, when you hire a guy who proved himself to be a failure like the Giants did, you end up spending the #2 pick in the draft on a running back.

 

[Ricky Spanish]

9 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

These arguments tend to always follow a similar path

After it's been refuted that Hurney has a bad record in the draft with pretty objective metrics, the last argument always devolves into some permutation of, "well, how come other teams didn't want to hire him as GM".

It assumes that the market for coaches and managers is somehow efficient, or that the best or brightest get hired.  Anyone paying attention can see that it's largely a network of connection and friendships, where your easiest path towards a job is being the son of someone else who was mediocre at their job.

And we don't even know the conversations Hurney had in those years, as he largely keeps to himself.   I can tell you that David Tepper seems eager to hire/retain him, so that's two separate billionaires who have know sought to employ him.

I think the largest reason Hurney wasn't in higher demand was due to the fact he's not part of the 'club', having come from a non traditional background in journalism and not golfing with the guys who make the decisions.  There is also the argument that he is somehow disqualified for having once worked in journalism, literally more than three decades ago when he was in his 20s.

 

Come again?

By Completely objective metrics Hurney is absolute Dildos this decade.

[bobowilson]

6 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

@bobowilson how many winning seasons does Hurney have when he built a roster?

I've explained why Hurney should be given ~85-90% of credit for 2013/2015/2017 too many times to count.  Hurney created 2 teams (2003, 2015), that should have won Superbowls, and had the talent to do so (if not for poor coaching/officiating).  That's a pretty good track record for a small market team with a bad owner (and he did it largely all through the draft, since I've conceded he's not good with free agency).

At this point people are just being obstinate in not accepting the reality of it

If you want to think we went 15-1 because of Kurt Coleman and Trai Turner, there's nothing more I can say to sway your opinion.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, bobowilson said:

Gettleman actually proves my point more than anything

Was completely incompetent at his job, drafted a bunch of busts in the 1st round, gave out terrible contracts, and still got rehired because Ernie Accorsi has been one of his closest friends and golfing partner for decades.

And of course, when you hire a guy who proved himself to be a failure like the Giants did, you end up spending the #2 pick in the draft on a running back.

 

Won three out of five seasons. You're too focused on the individual parts. All that matters is the whole. Tepper couldn't go to his hedge fund clients and point to all of the great individual investments to placate them if he was losing their money at the end of the day.

Retaining Hurney is the hedge fund equivalent of investing heavily in Theranos after they got busted for essentially being a complete fraud of a company. That's Marty Hurney. He is the NFL GM equivalent of Theranos.