The Athletic reports that Marty Hurney will stay on as GM, and is negotiating contracts for Bradberry and Boston

[Jon Snow]

49 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I laughed.

I'm still laughing.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, ARSEN said:

If Marty Hurney stays as GM, I will ask for refund on my MLS season tickets deposit.

I almost wish I knew enough about soccer to play off this and make a joke. I feel like there's gotta be a lot of low hanging fruit there.

[carpanfan96]

4 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

So Hurney is below Average with his hit rate of 1 Impact starter and everyone else being out of the league within 5 years then?

No he would be above average to average actually if you look at his whole draft history. His first round hit rate blows most gms out of the water alone. His 2nd and 3rd are about average really. 1 of 3 hitting and 1 of 5 hitting. 4th and back is around 10%, so 1 of 10 makes it. He's historically an average-above drafting gm. 

 

Problem is he's generally been horrible at the free agency portion of building a team. 

 

Also average GM's dont typically last 10-15 years in the nfl. 

[bobowilson]

3 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Then why doesn't he draft superstars in literally any other round of the draft where their cheap contracts allow you to add more talent due to their low cost when every other GM of actual good teams seem capable of doing it at a higher consistency than Hurney?

He does, quite a lot.  I didn't even want to get into this argument, because I've found people's attention wanders when you discuss too many things, but Hurney has found more stars in later rounds than most GMs.

Steve Smith, Kris Jenkins, Josh Norman, Ryan Kalil, Greg Hardy, Evan Mathis, Charles Johnson,etc (even Greg Olsen was acquired for a third).

The reason Hurney 'misses' on a lot of mid rounds pick is that he drafts for high upside, which inherently more risky, but also more rewarding.. 

But I was here to argue about the comparative power of drafting superstars vs depth pieces, not to litigate Hurney's late round record.  I can't be bothered to have the argument about who drafted Steve Smith for the 14th time, even though everyone who is being intellectually honest knows it was Hurney (including Steve Smith himself, who had spoken about it in interviews).

 

[carpanfan96]

To add on to my previous post, if you go back and look at his successful seasons, hes hit on free agency prior to that season. His free agency track record is generally abysmal.  

[LinvilleGorge]

Arguing about a GM's effectiveness or ineffectiveness in this aspect or that aspect is missing the point.

The job is to assemble and manage a winning football organization, period. 

[bobowilson]

2 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

To add on to my previous post, if you go back and look at his successful seasons, hes hit on free agency prior to that season. His free agency track record is generally abysmal.  

Even as a big fan of Hurney as a drafter, I think he's really bad with free agency.

But someone who is that excellent at drafting shouldn't be fired, their responsibilities should be limited to what they excel at.  In my estimation, Hurney is one of the best drafters over the past two decades, and irreplaceable at this role (easy to see why Tepper said he was afraid 'to lose him').  He's the best first round drafter in the entire NFL, and it's not close. 

But I hated the Shaq Thomspon extension, and I really hope Tepper takes him off free agent duties as soon as possible.

 

 

[Snake]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I feel like some of this fan base has Stockholm Syndrome and they're just trying to convince themselves that Hurney is competent. No really, somehow someway this man who has subjected all of us to so much bad football is perfectly competent. Nevermind the fact that he hasn't assembled a winning NFL roster in 11 years. No big deal. He's been making a lot of great decisions, he's just not catching a break here and there.

Good grief.

Real talk he has more to do with our poor showing than Rivera. People have yet to face the fact we have less talent on this team than in 2010. 

[carpanfan96]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Arguing about a GM's effectiveness or ineffectiveness in this aspect or that aspect is missing the point.

The job is to assemble and manage a winning football organization, period. 

Theres a reason Tepper is keeping him and having him add a assistant gm/vp of football to handle other aspects of the team for Hurney like Beane did. 

 

Beane assisted in the draft with scouting, white board, helped with contracts and pro scouting while here in Carolina. They are looking for someone to do the same things. Gives another set of eyes and helps with the free agency portion of team building. 

[Ricky Spanish]

7 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

He does, quite a lot.  I didn't even want to get into this argument, because I've found people's attention wanders when you discuss too many things, but Hurney has found more stars in later rounds than most GMs.

Steve Smith, Kris Jenkins, Josh Norman, Ryan Kalil, Greg Hardy, Evan Mathis, Charles Johnson,etc (even Greg Olsen was acquired for a third).

The reason Hurney 'misses' on a lot of mid rounds pick is that he drafts for high upside, which inherently more risky, but also more rewarding.. 

But I was here to argue about the comparative power of drafting superstars vs depth pieces, not to litigate Hurney's late round record.  I can't be bothered to have the argument about who drafted Steve Smith for the 14th time, even though everyone who is being intellectually honest knows it was Hurney (including Steve Smith himself, who had spoken about it in interviews).

 

Only one of those guys was drafted this past decade and he was a one hit wonder. 

Also it's been said numerous times to you before but he was not the GM when we drafted Smith or Jenkins so you cannot attribute those to him. That's like giving Gettleman Credit for drafting Eli Manning just because he was there. 

[outlaw4]

Marty Hurney may be the second greatest con man in America right now if he convinced this franchise to keep him on board.

[Snake]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Arguing about a GM's effectiveness or ineffectiveness in this aspect or that aspect is missing the point.

The job is to assemble and manage a winning football organization, period. 

The assemble part hasn't been great for Hurney. Shown by the fact no one picked him up when JR fired him. It's really clear now Brandon Bean was the only reason we were successful under Dave as well. 

[Ricky Spanish]

12 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

No he would be above average to average actually if you look at his whole draft history. His first round hit rate blows most gms out of the water alone. His 2nd and 3rd are about average really. 1 of 3 hitting and 1 of 5 hitting. 4th and back is around 10%, so 1 of 10 makes it. He's historically an average-above drafting gm. 

 

Problem is he's generally been horrible at the free agency portion of building a team. 

 

Also average GM's dont typically last 10-15 years in the nfl. 

I'm talking about drafts in the past decade. 

Dude missed the boat. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Imagine losing your franchise qb to injury two years in a row.

now imagining the fan base expecting the backup to lead us to the playoffs