The Athletic reports that Marty Hurney will stay on as GM, and is negotiating contracts for Bradberry and Boston

[GoPanthers123]

It’s not all bad.  Hurndog has the discipline to cut ties with underachievers like Funchess, KB, CAP, etc.  We had option to make mistakes this year and instead we have cap space to work with after ditching the dead weight.

[Harbingers]

Just now, panther4life said:

Ok. I look forward to reading your comments in a thread that don’t involve Hurney.

Hurney thinks he’s the king of this organization, your going to be hard pressed to find a thread that doesn’t involve that dipshit conman.

[AggieLean]

2 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Heck, I may follow Rivera and the Redskins for a while.  I mean Tepper is turning out to be just as incompetent of a NFL owner as Daniel Snyder.  So why not?

I’m just waiting on them to give up on Haskins and bring in my guy...

[bobowilson]

I think the main cognitive error Hurney hates make, is that they supremely underrate the importance of high end talent and 1st round picks

"Yeah, but his main talent is in hitting on 1st round picks" they say (as if this isn't by far the most important job of a general manager".   2003 and 2015 are proof that you can win Superbowls with high end talent.   (Hurney's track record in late rounds is actually a lot better than given credit for, but we'll pretend otherwise for the sake of this exercise).

I want you, as a mental exercise, to look at the NFL DRAFT TRADE VALUE chart

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

As you can see, our 1st round pick is worth '1500 points'.   Will Grier was chosen with the 100th pick in the draft, worth '100 points'.

So our 1st round pick is worth, literally, 15 times, the third round pick we used on Will Grier.  Comprehend the scale of that, 15x.  You could miss on 14 consecutive third round picks, and it still wouldn't be worth as much as hitting on our first round pick.

Huddler posters grossly overestimate the importance of rotational guys at the end of the roster, and underestimate the impact of high end talent.

I plan to make a more comprehensive thread on this sometime in the future when I have time, because I think it's counterintuitive to the perceptions of the average fan.   But if you don't want Hurney running this draft, when we have a pick worth 1500 points (given the fact he's only drafted Hall of Famers in the top 10 his entire career), you're out of your mind.  Missing on some picks worth 50 or 100 points is not very important in the grand scheme of things.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

I think the main cognitive error Hurney hates make, is that they supremely underrate the importance of high end talent and 1st round picks

"Yeah, but his main talent is in hitting on 1st round picks" they say (as if this isn't by far the most important job of a general manager".   2003 and 2015 are proof that you can win Superbowls with high end talent.   (Hurney's track record in late rounds is actually a lot better than given credit for, but we'll pretend otherwise for the sake of this exercise).

I want you, as a mental exercise, to look at the NFL DRAFT TRADE VALUE chart

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

As you can see, our 1st round pick is worth '1500 points'.   Will Grier was chosen with the 100th pick in the draft, worth '100 points'.

So our 1st round pick is worth, literally, 15 times, the third round pick we used on Will Grier.  Comprehend the scale of that, 15x.  You could miss on 14 consecutive third round picks, and it still wouldn't be worth as much as hitting on our first round pick.

Huddler posters grossly overestimate the importance of rotational guys at the end of the roster, and underestimate the impact of high end talent.

You're seriously trying to use the draft value chart to argue that Marty Hurney is a good general manager?

Wow...

[Harbingers]

4 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

I think the main cognitive error Hurney hates make, is that they supremely underrate the importance of high end talent and 1st round picks

"Yeah, but his main talent is in hitting on 1st round picks" they say (as if this isn't by far the most important job of a general manager".   2003 and 2015 are proof that you can win Superbowls with high end talent.   (Hurney's track record in late rounds is actually a lot better than given credit for, but we'll pretend otherwise for the sake of this exercise).

I want you, as a mental exercise, to look at the NFL DRAFT TRADE VALUE chart

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

As you can see, our 1st round pick is worth '1500 points'.   Will Grier was chosen with the 100th pick in the draft, worth '100 points'.

So our 1st round pick is worth, literally, 15 times, the third round pick we used on Will Grier.  Comprehend the scale of that, 15x.  You could miss on 14 consecutive third round picks, and it still wouldn't be worth as much as hitting on our first round pick.

Huddler posters grossly overestimate the importance of rotational guys at the end of the roster, and underestimate the impact of high end talent.

 

Except you forget HURNEY HAD A FIRST ROUND GRADE ON GRIER. 

So Hurney had 1500 points on a guy most people had on their board around 30 points. 

This is the simplest way to show how Hurney is NOT a good evaluator of talent. 

[steven8989]

19 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

Jordan Rodrigue said if she had to put her money on someone she said it would be Josh McDaniels.

Link?

[bobowilson]

4 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Except you forget HURNEY HAD A FIRST ROUND GRADE ON GRIER. 

I already went over this earlier in this thread

Every general manager says every pick has a first round grade;  it's called GM speak

You can't go out there and say, "yeah this guy was kind of a fringe prospect, but hey, we had bigger needs, so hopefully he pans out even tho we didn't value him enough to take him until all the good prospects were gone".  Every other fanbase realizes this.

If you believe 'GM speak', you're either really naive, or more likely, fueled by irrational hatred to see what is obvious.

 

[bobowilson]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're seriously trying to use the draft value chart tell argue that Marty Hurney is a good general manager?

Wow...

Even if you think the Jimmy Johnson trade value chart is wrong (and I happen to think it is and needs to be adjusted), the conclusions are largely still the same.  The 1st round pick might only be 10x more important than the third rounder, rather than 15, but the scale is still enormous.

 

[Ricky Spanish]

8 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

I think the main cognitive error Hurney hates make, is that they supremely underrate the importance of high end talent and 1st round picks

"Yeah, but his main talent is in hitting on 1st round picks" they say (as if this isn't by far the most important job of a general manager".   2003 and 2015 are proof that you can win Superbowls with high end talent.   (Hurney's track record in late rounds is actually a lot better than given credit for, but we'll pretend otherwise for the sake of this exercise).

I want you, as a mental exercise, to look at the NFL DRAFT TRADE VALUE chart

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

As you can see, our 1st round pick is worth '1500 points'.   Will Grier was chosen with the 100th pick in the draft, worth '100 points'.

So our 1st round pick is worth, literally, 15 times, the third round pick we used on Will Grier.  Comprehend the scale of that, 15x.  You could miss on 14 consecutive third round picks, and it still wouldn't be worth as much as hitting on our first round pick.

Huddler posters grossly overestimate the importance of rotational guys at the end of the roster, and underestimate the impact of high end talent.

 

Bro that logic is completely asinine. 

It's based on the unknown value of the commodity and the depreciating value of the picks there after because theoretically the best picks are picked before the worse picks. 

It also shows the core value of finding talent at a cheaper price in rounds that are NOT the first. It's simple economics. Buy cheap, sell high. 

The first round pick is worth more but a second round pick that's Michael Thomas or a third round pick that's Russell Wilson is more valuable than a Ryan Tannehill or a Sammy Watkins. You would be getting a first round value at a discount price. That's why GOOD GMS FIND TALENT IN OTHER ROUNDS THAN JUST THE FIRST. 

All that is without taking into consideration that you need depth to actually fill out a roster, something we never seem to have with Hurney at the helm. 

[Harbingers]

Just now, bobowilson said:

Every general manager says every pick has a first round grade;  it's called GM speak

No, it’s not called GM speak. It’s where he was on the literal board. You know the big board with names on it?

[OneBadCat]

I mean as much as we rag on Hurney and how average Fox and Rivera became, he did hire two HCs that lead the team to two Super Bowls.

[Ricky Spanish]

2 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

I mean as much as we rag on Hurney and how average Fox and Rivera became, he did hire two HCs that lead the team to two Super Bowls.

"Say what you will about Chad being a dingus but he talked to that girl for 5 hours then went home with blue balls. Dude is a STUD".

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, bobowilson said:

Even if you think the Jimmy Johnson trade value chart is wrong (and I happen to think it is and needs to be adjusted), the conclusions are largely still the same.  The 1st round pick might only be 10x more important than the third rounder, rather than 15, but the scale is still enormous.

See CM's response above.

Nobody cares about value charts, draft grades, Pro Bowls, Whatever of the Year awards or anything else.

It's about winning. Winning is all that matters.

When Hurney is in charge, we don't win anywhere near enough.