The Athletic reports that Marty Hurney will stay on as GM, and is negotiating contracts for Bradberry and Boston

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Woodie said:

Good grief.  Everyone is overreacting to an obscene level. 

This information is nothing new.  It's the same stuff that was talked about when Rivera was fired. So why is everyone acting like there is some new and damning information out there? 

Rodrigue and Person don't even really talk about what is going to happen after the draft and Tepper never said anything about it either, so why are so many getting their panties in a wad?  Right now, this team has no choice but to let Hurney be the GM, and any leader knows you cannot undermine your people (especially out of some sense of vengeance) when they still have a job to do...no matter what your long-term plan is.  I know it's particularly difficult for some of you, but be patient and see what happens when Tepper's plan is complete. 

Heck, nobody even knows how much Hurney is invoilved or will be involved in the coaching/asst. GM search or even contract and such.  The most we have gotten are some vague statement that he will be heavily involved.  But what does even mean?  Don't pretend you know because you don't.  And neither does Ian Rappaport, Jason, LaCanfora, Jourdan Rodrigue, or Joe Person.  They only get fed enough tidbits to muddy up the waters.  But of course everyone jumps all over the worst possible scenario and acts as if its fact.  

I don't know what Tepper's plan is, but based on everything I have seen, read, and heard from multiple sources, along with my basic understanding of how he tends to operate, Hurney is not going to be the long-term decision maker.  At best/worst, he'll be a transition guy for whomever they hire as the asst. GM/VP. 

Tepper didn't spend 2.3 billion dollars only to blindly leave it in the hands of a guy that could, at best, only build a mediocre team...no matter what was said publicly.  No matter what you think or hear, there is most definitely more to the plan than what has been released.

Thanks for bringing that up.

Person and Rodrigue aren't actually going off of inside information or anything here. It's basically just a statement of "since nothing has happened so far, we believe nothing will happen".

It's not set in stone.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Smithers said:

Surely a mod isn’t being insulting?  
 

In a cover 3, 3 defensive backs are sent deep to cover a third of the field.  So explain to me Who the third DB was that consistently played deep?  Because one of our biggest problems on defense all season was a lack of deep help on defense.  

It's not insulting, it's simply an observation.

No defense is a pure anything. There's always a mix of concepts or you're going to be super easy to game plan against. But we are and always have been a primarily Cover 3 defensive scheme though we ran more man coverage the past two seasons than we had previously.

If you think we primarily play a cover 2 defense, then no I'm sorry you don't really understand football all too well.

[Smithers]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's pretty clear you don't understand much about football and that makes me an idiot for continuing to engage with you, but Ron's D is primarily based off of Cover 3 concepts.

And don’t even say Luke was the third deep cover man (which is common in a cover 3).  We all know Luke spent all season close to the LOS to help against a putrid run defense. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Smithers said:

And don’t even say Luke was the third deep cover man (which is common in a cover 3).  We all know Luke spent all season close to the LOS to help against a putrid run defense. 

Like when he got matched up one on one with Julio Jones 40+ yards downfield? Like that?

[Smithers]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Like when he got matched up one on one with Julio Jones 40+ yards downfield? Like that?

Wasn’t that last season?  And if you recall, he was screaming at the sideline after the play telling the coaches to take the safety (who missed his assignment in a cover 2) out of the game. 

[Mr. Scot]

For the sake of clarity, Ron Rivera's chosen defensive scheme is a zone blitz.

For most of his time here he ran it out of the 4-3, Jim Johnson style. During his last season he threw in the 3-4, making it more like Dick LeBeau's version.

Wilks had more of a Cover 2 background so we did run that more frequently during the time he was DC, but Eric Washington's scheme was basically Ron Rivera's.

[panther4life]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, this is a silly take. You don't have to like Gettleman to realize that Hurney stinks at his job.

That's basically like suggesting that people can't objectively disapprove of Will Grier's performance without being big fans of Kyle Allen.

 

It’s not silly when you realize most are just fickle. After this last off-season most of them jumped on the Hurney 2.0 bandwagon. This board widely praised him after the offseason. Cam went down, more injuries happened, Rivera doubled down on his stubborn ways that broke this team. We ripped the band aid off, fired Rivera, the team quit, Will Grier got thrown to the wolves behind a line that was worse than one that not even Cam could succeed behind.

Also people are giving up on the 19 draft class already but many of those same people wanted to wait multiple years to evaluate Ealy, Butler and other failed picks by Gettleman. 
 

The lack of objectivity on this board is running rampant now and is combined with overwhelming negativity over things that can’t be changed at this point. 
 

The conversation should be heavily focused on what can change for the better for this franchise. 

Starting with the next head coach, the upcoming  draft and looming free agent decisions.  

[TheRumGone]

2 minutes ago, panther4life said:

It’s not silly when you realize most are just fickle. After this last off-season most of them jumped on the Hurney 2.0 bandwagon. This board widely praised him after the offseason. Cam went down, more injuries happened, Rivera doubled down on his stubborn ways that broke this team. We ripped the band aid off, fired Rivera, the team quit, Will Grier got thrown to the wolves behind a line that was worse than one that not even Cam could succeed behind.

Also people are giving up on the 19 draft class already but many of those same people wanted to wait multiple years to evaluate Ealy, Butler and other failed picks by Gettleman. 
 

The lack of objectivity on this board is running rampant now and is combined with overwhelming negativity over things that can’t be changed at this point. 
 

The conversation should be heavily focused on what can change for the better for this franchise. 

Starting with the next head coach, the upcoming  draft and looming free agent decisions.  

Answer this. Why are we signing players to big extensions right now without the new coaches input?

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, panther4life said:

It’s not silly when you realize most are just fickle. After this last off-season most of them jumped on the Hurney 2.0 bandwagon. This board widely praised him after the offseason. Cam went down, more injuries happened, Rivera doubled down on his stubborn ways that broke this team. We ripped the band aid off, fired Rivera, the team quit, Will Grier got thrown to the wolves behind a line that was worse than one that not even Cam could succeed behind.

Also people are giving up on the 19 draft class already but many of those same people wanted to wait multiple years to evaluate Ealy, Butler and other failed picks by Gettleman. 
 

The lack of objectivity on this board is running rampant now and is combined with overwhelming negativity over things that can’t be changed at this point. 
 

The conversation should be heavily focused on what can change for the better for this franchise. 

Starting with the next head coach, the upcoming  draft and looming free agent decisions.  

You're forgetting a lot of us were fans long before Dave Gettleman was hired.

I'm one of several who were calling for us to dump Marty for several years before it finally happened. 

We knew it was a dumbass idea to bring him back, but given that the team was owned by a dumbass, that's not exactly a shock.

[therealmjl]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

During his last season he threw in the 3-4, making it more like a Dick Headed version.

fify

[Toomers]

4 minutes ago, panther4life said:

It’s not silly when you realize most are just fickle. After this last off-season most of them jumped on the Hurney 2.0 bandwagon. This board widely praised him after the offseason. Cam went down, more injuries happened, Rivera doubled down on his stubborn ways that broke this team. We ripped the band aid off, fired Rivera, the team quit, Will Grier got thrown to the wolves behind a line that was worse than one that not even Cam could succeed behind.

Also people are giving up on the 19 draft class already but many of those same people wanted to wait multiple years to evaluate Ealy, Butler and other failed picks by Gettleman. 
 

The lack of objectivity on this board is running rampant now and is combined with overwhelming negativity over things that can’t be changed at this point. 
 

The conversation should be heavily focused on what can change for the better for this franchise. 

Starting with the next head coach, the upcoming  draft and looming free agent decisions.  

A lack of objectivity is ignoring a 98-110 record sandwiched around 51-28-1 and 4 playoff appearances or 3 winning seasons in 13 tries. 
 

   but overlooking this and conjuring hopeful scenarios and blaming the people that said(before the season, and last season) this was coming is objective? Hahaha

. People can twist it all they want. We play to win the game. Not get participation trophies. 

[panther4life]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

A lack of objectivity is ignoring a 98-110 record sandwiched around 51-28-1 and 4 playoff appearances or 3 winning seasons in 13 tries. 
 

   but overlooking this and conjuring hopeful scenarios and blaming the people that said(before the season, and last season) this was coming is objective? Hahaha

. People can twist it all they want. We play to win the game. Not get participation trophies. 

The record is damming. If we let him go, I wouldn’t cry over it. I see why Tepper is giving him another chance. That’s all. Plus the whole bitching over it is running stale. It’s not changing. 

[panther4life]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're forgetting a lot of us were fans long before Dave Gettleman was hired.

I'm one of several who were calling for us to dump Marty for several years before it finally happened. 

We knew it was a dumbass idea to bring him back, but given that the team was owned by a dumbass, that's not exactly a shock.

I’m not forgetting that. Surely you can tell I’ve been on this board as long as you have. I’ve been a fan since the beginning and have a Kerry Collins jersey to prove it, owned PSLs for several years, etc. I’m a real fan just as you are. I don’t come on here and bash other fans for their opinions. I get it, our record under Hurney sucks. It’s terrible. But I also see the reasons Tepper still believes in him. I just don’t understand the constant moaning and groaning over it in every single thread. It’s not changing and if he doesn’t improve we will all suffer together.  So for the sake of the team, it’s best to Hope for the best.

Hiring a more qualified head coach will go a long way in itself. Insulating Hurney with a good assistant and VP of football ops should also help. Having the 7th pick will surely help. 
 

Its not all gloom and doom. Even if it is, we’ve beat that horse to death enough. Time to move on and discuss other things.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, panther4life said:

The record is damming. If we let him go, I wouldn’t cry over it. I see why Tepper is giving him another chance. That’s all. Plus the whole bitching over it is running stale. It’s not changing. 

I want to know how you are being objective and everyone else isn’t. That’s the issue. You ignoring facts to chastise those using them is pathetic. If anything is running rampant on this board, the “ ignore every fact and make up whatever you want is” Asyou proved with your post.