The Athletic reports that Marty Hurney will stay on as GM, and is negotiating contracts for Bradberry and Boston

[LegioX]

Remember that video of UK basketball fans cheering then depressed in the span of a few seconds when UNC was playing them? Yeah I feel like them.

[MHS831]

Just now, hepcat said:

Well the Panthers are in for a few seasons of losing at the very least

I don't see many ways around it. 

[panther4life]

Many of those wallowing in every thread over Hurney, also worshiped Gettleman. 

Since we had the amazing 15-1 season, Gettleman led panthers fell to 6-10.

He then took over the Giants and will be drafting inside the top 6 for the third year in a row, hand picked his own head coach, fired him and is 9-23 since his return to NY.

Hurney got us to 11-5 following Gentleman's departure. Since then he’s had to deal with Rivera doing everything he can to sabotage him with terrible coaching and hasn’t had a healthy Cam Newton. 

Hurney has not repeated the same mistakes, that led to his original demise. He’s earned the faith of the new owner. 

For better or worse he’s the GM this year and spamming the board with hate for him in every thread, seems pointless. He’s the guy for now, so might as well throw your support behind him and hope for the best. 

 

 

[ellis]

25 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

This is one of those really silly things I keep hearing repeated, that you should know better than.

Literally after every draft, teams put out spin on all of their picks and say they were 'highest on the board', 'we had a first ground on him';  it's typical GM speak, and fans of 31 other franchises know to not take it seriously.  I can find you dozens of quotes from every draft where some executive talks about how some mid round pick was their favorite guy all along.

But Panthers fans have such an irrational animosity towards Hurney, they actually take these things literally.   If Hurney actually had Grier rated above Murray, he would have traded back into the 1st round to select him, or taken him in the 2nd.  He's never been one to gamble on waiting patiently for a prospect to fall into his lap.

People lose all sense of logic and objectivity when discussing Hurney.  Not only must Hurney be criticized for poor moves he made, they must also invent fictional moves or motives to justify their hatred. 

I don’t have any hatred. I have a preference. My preference is to aim higher than the same GM who was fired in the middle of 2012 and was rushed back into action on a clusterfu*k interim basis. 
 

I do appreciate your insight. Yes, GM’s do speak that way. I was making a broad statement. Should have narrowed it down and provided a little more clarity/context. 

The team had other needs. Will Grier at 100 wasn’t loved by many football folks I respect. Gardner-Johnson would have filled a need. He was available. Tre played every snap in 2019, but wasn’t without his own bundle of flaws. 

 

[OldNorthPowell]

3 minutes ago, LegioX said:

Remember that video of UK basketball fans cheering then depressed in the span of a few seconds when UNC was playing them? Yeah I feel like them.

The same feels here

[Smithers]

15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You think Ron primarily runs a cover two scheme? LOL!

Yes, yes he does.  He has always loved his zone coverage with two deep safeties.  

 

[rico6]

28 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

This is one of those really silly things I keep hearing repeated, that you should know better than.

Literally after every draft, teams put out spin on all of their picks and say they were 'highest on the board', 'we had a first ground on him';  it's typical GM speak, and fans of 31 other franchises know to not take it seriously.  I can find you dozens of quotes from every draft where some executive talks about how some mid round pick was their favorite guy all along.

But Panthers fans have such an irrational animosity towards Hurney, they actually take these things literally.   If Hurney actually had Grier rated above Murray, he would have traded back into the 1st round to select him, or taken him in the 2nd.  He's never been one to gamble on waiting patiently for a prospect to fall into his lap.

People lose all sense of logic and objectivity when discussing Hurney.  Not only must Hurney be criticized for poor moves he made, they must also invent fictional moves or motives to justify their hatred. 

I get what you're trying to do, but if the first orders of business is to resign Boston and pay Braderry 10+ mil then you're GM'ing horribly wrong. I've yet to see a single justification for the Grier pick since he was drafted. None.

I was a Hurney can for his last offseason up throughout the draft, but this season showed what the man is for what he is. A fraud.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Smithers said:

Yes, yes he does.  He has always loved his zone coverage with two deep safeties.  

 

It's pretty clear you don't understand much about football and that makes me an idiot for continuing to engage with you, but Ron's D is primarily based off of Cover 3 concepts.

[Smithers]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

It's pretty clear you don't understand much about football and that makes me an idiot for continuing to engage with you, but Ron's D is primarily based off of Cover 3 concepts.

Surely a mod isn’t being insulting?  
 

In a cover 3, 3 defensive backs are sent deep to cover a third of the field.  So explain to me Who the third DB was that consistently played deep?  Because one of our biggest problems on defense all season was a lack of deep help on defense.  

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, panther4life said:

Many of those wallowing in every thread over Hurney, also worshiped Gettleman. 

Since we had the amazing 15-1 season, Gettleman led panthers fell to 6-10.

He then took over the Giants and will be drafting inside the top 6 for the third year in a row, hand picked his own head coach, fired him and is 9-23 since his return to NY.

Hurney got us to 11-5 following Gentleman's departure. Since then he’s had to deal with Rivera doing everything he can to sabotage him with terrible coaching and hasn’t had a healthy Cam Newton. 

Hurney has not repeated the same mistakes, that led to his original demise. He’s earned the faith of the new owner. 

For better or worse he’s the GM this year and spamming the board with hate for him in every thread, seems pointless. He’s the guy for now, so might as well throw your support behind him and hope for the best. 

Yeah, this is a silly take. You don't have to like Gettleman to realize that Hurney stinks at his job.

That's basically like suggesting that people can't objectively disapprove of Will Grier's performance without being big fans of Kyle Allen.

 

[MHS831]

Any surprises that on this day BOTH Bradberry and Boston go public with contract-based commentary?  You think they know how to play Marty Hurney?  Look at Olsen's comments--relationships, he mentions. That is a COACH's job if it is important at all.  The GM should NOT be involved in relationships or care.

I go back to 2011 or so when Charles Johnson and D Will were being interviewed about their new contracts---they were laughing it was so ridiculous.  As giddy as school girls.

[Woodie]

1 hour ago, bobowilson said:

By Jourdan Rodrigue and Joseph Person

https://theathletic.com/1496835/?source=twittered&redirected=1

 

Good grief.  Everyone is overreacting to an obscene level. 

This information is nothing new.  It's the same stuff that was talked about when Rivera was fired. So why is everyone acting like there is some new and damning information out there? 

Rodrigue and Person don't even really talk about what is going to happen after the draft and Tepper never said anything about it either, so why are so many getting their panties in a wad?  Right now, this team has no choice but to let Hurney be the GM, and any leader knows you cannot undermine your people (especially out of some sense of vengeance) when they still have a job to do...no matter what your long-term plan is.  I know it's particularly difficult for some of you, but be patient and see what happens when Tepper's plan is complete. 

Heck, nobody even knows how much Hurney is invoilved or will be involved in the coaching/asst. GM search or even contract and such.  The most we have gotten are some vague statement that he will be heavily involved.  But what does even mean?  Don't pretend you know because you don't.  And neither does Ian Rappaport, Jason, LaCanfora, Jourdan Rodrigue, or Joe Person.  They only get fed enough tidbits to muddy up the waters.  But of course everyone jumps all over the worst possible scenario and acts as if its fact.  

I don't know what Tepper's plan is, but based on everything I have seen, read, and heard from multiple sources, along with my basic understanding of how he tends to operate, Hurney is not going to be the long-term decision maker.  At best/worst, he'll be a transition guy for whomever they hire as the asst. GM/VP. 

Tepper didn't spend 2.3 billion dollars only to blindly leave it in the hands of a guy that could, at best, only build a mediocre team...no matter what was said publicly.  No matter what you think or hear, there is most definitely more to the plan than what has been released.

 

[kungfoodude]

22 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

Because they are a well run organization who realizes the NFL cap is not to be taken seriously, but circumvented and exploited for it's loopholes.

The dumbest thing we ever did in Panthers history was hire Gettleman to become 'frugal' and penny pinch to get us under the cap (when we had Cam Newton in his prime, ready to win Super Bowls), when we should have kicked the can down the road indefinitely and loaded up.

The people who kept saying we had 'no room' to sign a left tackle were simply ignorant of how easy it is for creative front offices to circumvent the very soft NFL salary cap.

Here's a nice trick the Eagles use

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/how-eagles-are-using-fake-contract-years-create-cap-space

We do that.

https://overthecap.com/player/mario-addison/1185/

[bobowilson]

5 minutes ago, rico6 said:

 I've yet to see a single justification for the Grier pick since he was drafted. None.

 

The justification was that Cam Newton was injured and we needed to groom someone young.

Grier is likely a pretty awful QB in this league.  Guess what, so are 90% of QBs taken late in the third round.  Kevin Colbert of the Steelers, who everyone is eager to replace Hurney, has drafted a half dozen terrible QBs in the 3rd and 4th rounds over the past decade (doesn't make him a bad executive, just shows how difficult it is to find QBs in the draft).

Imagine thinking any QB drafted in the mid rounds doesn't have a 90% chance of failure, and actually being surprised or upset he's not the next Russell WIlson.

Credit to Hurney for picking up Kyle Allen as an UDFA tho, who is among the better backup QBs in the NFL and we would be happy with if we had taken in the 3rd round (something never mentioned).