"Several Defensive players in a group chat about wanting to play elsewhere"

[LxDunn]

Bye 

[cmichd]

3 hours ago, ncfan said:

Making this its on thread.  Was post in the Bradberry one

 

 

if they play like this somewhere else they aren't winning a SB.  

 

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I wouldn't dispute that but I am talking about you saying they wouldn't be starters on another team in the NFL. I have to disagree with that completely. 

Anyway, this semantics argument is just a tangent that came from the greater point, which is we can't very well nuke the entire roster and expect much. That is a 4+ year rebuild kind of move. 

Do you think they're the caliber of players that are irreplaceable? I mean, they're available for what we signed them for because they're JAGs. Roster fillers. Interchangeable parts.

[BrizzMachete]

I honestly don’t want any of those guys back . All of em old And reached their peak . Give me Bradberry and J Elliot everybody else can go . Sorry Mario you 33 

[Jared Patterson]

If we hire McDaniels, I would love to sign Jamie Collins and then resign Mario and McCoy and draft Derrick Brown at 7. Then we would finally have a really solid line

[AceBoogie]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Gotta imagine they're thinking Redskins...

No no, they clearly said they want to win a championship. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, AceBoogie said:

No no, they clearly said they want to win a championship. 

Ron Rivera said he wanted to coach for a winner.

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ron Rivera said he wanted to coach for a winner.

There's so much to unpack from that statement from Ron of all people.

[Kuechly&Moore]

Don't let the door hit you on the ass..... 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Do you think they're the caliber of players that are irreplaceable? I mean, they're available for what we signed them for because they're JAGs. Roster fillers. Interchangeable parts.

I disagree that they are JAG's. Irvin and Boston specifically are starting quality players, Cockrell is an upper tier depth guy, IMO. None of them are irreplaceable but generally "irreplaceable" players tend to be of the "franchise" caliber. 

Boston was available because of the way he is, which we have discussed and Irvin was available because he's an older player at a position that traditionally is in decline. In 13 games here he set a career best in sacks. Had he played the full 16 games we was on pace to be in the top two career performances in tackles, QB Hits and TFL, as well. He was actually pretty good for us, but it was lost in a sea of being a bad team. Similarly Boston had a pretty good year, only allowing 8 receptions on 16 targets, while picking off 3 passes. Also set a career high in passes defensed. Cockrell was very solid, as well. He definitely outproduced quite a few 2nd or 3rd CB's in the NFL. 

I understand the reason why it's easy to assume that because we had a terrible defense that all players on it were also bad, but it's also not true. You aren't going to look good when your defense is allowing league worst rushing stats, despite being second in the league in sacks and 7th in QB Hits. Even our passing defense statistics ranged from mediocre to very good. It's just that the sum of some of these individual things did not work out well, quite obviously. It also didn't help that we had an unbelievably bad offense that kept that defense on the field(23rd in the NFL in TOP). 

And I also understand why everyone is wanting to nuke everything, because it was such a painful and horrific season to have to sit through. But it's also not a prudent move. Some of these parts should be retained, whether for performance reasons, financial reasons or both. It's a stretch to say that we can go out and obtain better players in all of these positions in one offseason, it is just not reasonable to have huge amounts of turnover and get better as a team. 

[KillerKat]

Just give me Bradberry, without overpaying, and McCoy. Everyone else can fug off if they don't want to be here.

[Vagrant]

i don't want anybody that doesn't want to be here to be here. if i was tepper, i would get my hands on the list of dudes in that group chat and find out who wanted out and not even offer them a contract below market value. just straight up don't offer them. 

but you're going to see a lot of this if cam isn't coming back to start. the players believe in him and know that a change at qb means we're entering a rebuilding phase. it sucks, but that's how it is. that's why we prioritized shaq thompson. if we're sticking with cam, some of these guys want to know right away. we have to move quick on that. 

[Brooklyn 3.0]

Sadly we can't blow up the defense. BC then we'd have to draft/sign new guys which means we once again ignore the OL.

[countryboi]

They want to win a championship? they do know they are part of the reason we suck? players play..