Allen is our back up QB

[TheRumGone]

Damn y’all dumb

[Seltzer]

Just like anyone objective doesn't blame Rivera the way our fanbase did for this year based on the interest in his around the league, no objective coach coming in here is going to bury Allen based on this season. He's not a starter, but he's going to get a chance to make his case as backup next year in camp.

The anti Allen group is just as bad as the fanboys. Absolutely no one was going to come in and save this season given how bad our offensive and defensive lines devolved.

Allen is as cheap as a NFL player could be. It defies logic to think he won't at least be in camp next year.

That being said no one is getting coordinated with the new regime without earning it

 

[mav1234]

2 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

Why Allen though? That’s the whole point. I don’t want him as the sole backup to Cam. And if he’s gonna be qb3 it doesn’t even fuging matter. That’s what I don’t get. Dude is a dime a dozen and a new coaching staff will more than likely choose their qb3 who they think has better upside and can run their system. You guys are just stuck on this dude for some very strange reason. When he’s not even worth typing all this poo out for. 

You care enough to respond - I would wager you have as much emotional investment in this as I do, lol.

You are right that when it comes to the next coaching staff, all bets are off. The only players safe on this roster, IMO, are CMC, Moore, and Luke.  I do think many others, e.g. Bradberry, Reid, Samuel, Turner will be back.  So that is true, and I agree.  But considering that, I think Allen has a good shot of making the team next year, albeit possibly as QB3.

I see Allen as quite similar to Case Keenum based on what we've seen from him.  This is a comparison many here have made, and Allen is a fraction of what a QB of Keenum's level costs... which isn't saying much...

[TheRumGone]

Just now, mav1234 said:

You care enough to respond - I would wager you have as much emotional investment in this as I do, lol.

You are right that when it comes to the next coaching staff, all bets are off. The only players safe on this roster, IMO, are CMC, Moore, and Luke.  I do think many others, e.g. Bradberry, Reid, Samuel, Turner will be back.  So that is true, and I agree.  But considering that, I think Allen has a good shot of making the team next year, albeit possibly as QB3.

I see Allen as quite similar to Case Keenum based on what we've seen from him.  This is a comparison many here have made, and Allen is a fraction of what a QB of Keenum's level costs... which isn't saying much...

Yeah this is all I need to know. We just differ on our opinion on Allen’s ability.

[mav1234]

Just now, TheRumGone said:

Yeah this is all I need to know. We just differ on our opinion on Allen’s ability.

I should note, I'm not talking about his present ability being equal to Case Keenum's present ability.  More in terms of likely ability/career trajectory.

[TheRumGone]

2 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I should note, I'm not talking about his present ability being equal to Case Keenum's present ability.  More in terms of likely ability/career trajectory.

That’s the thing. It’s not likely he becomes his ceiling of case keenum. It’s likely he ends up on maybe a practice squad somewhere then is out of the league

[Peon Awesome]

26 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

Let me break this down for you.

lets say Cam plays next season. Do you want Allen as his backup again?

lets say we move on from Cam and draft a qb high in the draft. Do you want Allen backing up a rookie? Do you want that rookie learning from Allen or a vet?

lets say we don’t retain Cam and don’t draft a qb high. Do you want Allen starting?

there is absolutely no reason why Allen should be on this roster next year.

Scenario 1: Yes, because if Cam gets injured for the 3rd year in a row, then you have to move on and draft your franchise qb in 2021. So better to ride with a cheap Allen and tank for Lawrence rather than ride a moderately expensive vet to a 7-9 record without a high draft pick to sign our next franchise qb.

Scenario 2: In this scenario, you're cutting Cam and getting an extra $19 million so I'd take a flyer on a veteran at a fair price to help groom the rookie (someone similar to Tannehill or Fitzpatrick last offseason, so maybe someone like Keenum this year). I'd still keep Allen as a 3rd qb who is dirt cheap and knows the system and would be better than 99% of 3rd string qbs.

Scenario 3: The only rationale for this scenario is an all out tank for 2021, so yeah, I'd start Allen, shore up the defense and o line, and prepare for our new franchise qb in 2021, hopefully Trevor Lawrence.

[TheRumGone]

1 minute ago, Peon Awesome said:

Scenario 1: Yes, because if Cam gets injured for the 3rd year in a row, then you have to move on and draft your franchise qb in 2021. So better to ride with a cheap Allen and tank for Lawrence rather than ride a moderately expensive vet to a 7-9 record without a high draft pick to sign our next franchise qb.

Scenario 2: In this scenario, you're cutting Cam and getting an extra $19 million so I'd take a flyer on a veteran at a fair price to help groom the rookie (someone similar to Tannehill or Fitzpatrick last offseason, so maybe someone like Keenum this year). I'd still keep Allen as a 3rd qb who is dirt cheap and knows the system and would be better than 99% of 3rd string qbs.

Scenario 3: The only rationale for this scenario is an all out tank for 2021, so yeah, I'd start Allen, shore up the defense and o line, and prepare for our new franchise qb in 2021, hopefully Trevor Lawrence.

I’d rather start Grier if we are truly tanking lol

[Peon Awesome]

Just now, TheRumGone said:

I’d rather start Grier if we are truly tanking lol

Haha touche, although I think the fans would revolt. Allen at least brings the potential for entertainment in a loss.

[mc52beast]

Y’all need to remember that Hurney drafted Grier and wanted him badly. He’s going to get every chance to make this team as a #2 and possibly a starter. Not saying this because I think Grier is good, if Hurney ditches him after one season he makes Tepper question his previous comments.

[mav1234]

Just now, TheRumGone said:

That’s the thing. It’s not likely he becomes his ceiling of case keenum. It’s likely he ends up on maybe a practice squad somewhere then is out of the league

I don't think his ceiling is Case Keenum; I don't have a good pro player to claim to tie to his ceiling right now, I'd need to look closer. I think his trajectory is such he could end up quite similar to Case Keenum in terms of quality of player....  Because I see Keenum as a competent backup that can step in to help a *good* team win, but can't be relied on to carry a team (see, e.g. the difference between Keenum's time in MN and DEN).  Obviously you are right he could end up out of the league as well, but hell, even Matt Moore was playing this year lol.

But who knows.  The OL around our QBs is so bad, it is difficult to know what they have for a ceiling.  It is clear at very least neither are franchise cornerstone kinda guys.

[mav1234]

1 minute ago, mc52beast said:

Y’all need to remember that Hurney drafted Grier and wanted him badly. He’s going to get every chance to make this team as a #2 and possibly a starter. Not saying this because I think Grier is good, if Hurney ditches him after one season he makes Tepper question his previous comments.

I don't think Hurney will have that much control when the next coach takes over.  Guess we'll see.

[Seltzer]

18 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

That’s the thing. It’s not likely he becomes his ceiling of case keenum. It’s likely he ends up on maybe a practice squad somewhere then is out of the league

That's certainly possible. I think it's equally possible he sticks around the league for 5 or more years as a backup. He's won 6 games in this league.

He's not a savior but I think it's equally untrue to act like he has no place in the league. He's not worse than 64 other QBs in the league

Time will tell, but I personally would be surprised if he's not on a roster somewhere over the next 3 seasons.

Anyone would be setup for failure behind this joke of an offensive line.

I hope all this backup talk means nothing next year bc I hope our starter plays all 16 games.

But I think there is less than a 10% percent chance hes not on a NFL roster next year, and I think there is a 40% or better chance he's still on this roster

[GoPanthers123]

1 minute ago, Seltzer said:

That's certainly possible. I think it's equally possible he sticks around the league for 5 or more years as a backup. He's won 6 games in this league.

He's not a savior but I think it's equally untrue to act like he has no place in the league. He's not worse than 64 other QBs in the league

Time will tell, but I personally would be surprised if he's not on a roster somewhere over the next 3 seasons.

Anyone would be setup for failure behind this joke of an offensive line.

I hope all this backup talk means nothing next year bc I hope our starter plays all 16 games.

But I think there is less than a 10% percent chance hes not on a NFL roster next year, and I think there is a 40% or better chance he's still on this roster

I want to see Allen start behind a competent o line and be trained by competent coaching.  He has a couple of issues to be fixed, like literally 2 bad throws a game, but otherwise looking good.