Rappaport: Marty Hurney heavily involved in HC search!!!

[bobowilson]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Jim Haslam, Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones and the Spanos family all built billion dollar empires. So using your logic, all of them must be really smart football people.

How strange that they've managed to build some of the worst teams in the league despite being that smart 

 

Not quite.

Jerry Jones was one of the poorest owners in the NFL and not even close to being a billionaire before he bought the Cowboys.  Almost all of his wealth came from the appreciation of the Cowboys franchise.

Jimmy Haslam got his wealth from his father (if you mean the original Jim Haslam, I'm not sure what your point is).  Dean Spanos also got his money from his daddy.

Dan Snyder also got seed money from his father, but it could be argued he was somewhat self made (although he's always been more concerned with making a profit off the Redskins rather than winning (which he continues to do a good job at).  But even on this front, running one of the most successful hedge funds of all time is a lot more impressive than founding Synder Communications.

 

[bobowilson]

16 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  Sure. Just ignore that every OL besides Kalil. 
 

  Every DL except CJ who had a 20M cap hit while playing at a 4M level. Thanks Marty. 
 

Every DB but Norman. Every WR including losing the WR1 for season. 
 

  What was your point again? 

So your argument is that Ron Rivera was 2x Coach of the year because of Cortland Finnegan, Corey Brown, Cotchery, Mike Remmers, and Trai Turner

Pretty solid argument.

[SBiii]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Jim Haslam, Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones and the Spanos family all built billion dollar empires. So using your logic, all of them must be really smart football people.

How strange that they've managed to build some of the worst teams in the league despite being that smart 

 

Haslam inherited his money, he didn't build anything.

Jones actually made his money IN football.  Paid $140m for Cowboys and they are now worth $5bn+. Let's not forget they have also won 3 Super Bowls and made the playoffs 15 times under JJ's tenure.

Snyder, his business success pre-NFL certainly has not translated to the NFL.

Tepper is way smarter than all of them.

Patience people!

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

Not quite.

Jerry Jones was one of the poorest owners in the NFL and not even close to being a billionaire before he bought the Cowboys.  Almost all of his wealth came from the appreciation of the Cowboys franchise.

Jimmy Haslam got his wealth from his father (if you mean the original Jim Haslam, I'm not sure what your point is).  Dean Spanos also got his money from his daddy.

Dan Snyder also got seed money from his father, but it could be argued he was somewhat self made (although he's always been more concerned with making a profit off the Redskins rather than winning (which he continues to do a good job at).  But even on this front, running one of the most successful hedge funds of all time is a lot more impressive than founding Synder Communications.

Point being that "rich equals smart" is a false assumption. So is "smart in one thing equals smart in another".

There's a pretty good scene in the movie Armageddon where Billy Bob Thornton calls Jason Isaacs character "basically the smartest man on the planet". A few scenes later, Bruce Willis is calling him an idiot because he doesn't know anything about drilling. It's a pretty good illustration of the fallacy of your kind of thinking.

Thinking that just because a guy knows how to make money in hedge funds means that he also knows how to run a football team is a silly assumption.

[bobowilson]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Point being that "rich equals smart" is a false assumption. So is "smart in one thing equals smart in another".

There's a pretty good scene in the movie Armageddon where Billy Bob Thornton calls Jason Isaacs character "basically the smartest man in the world". A few scenes later, Bruce Willis is calling him an idiot because he doesn't know anything about drilling.

Thinking that just because a guy knows how to make money in hedge funds means that he also knows how to run a football team is a silly assumption.

In general, being ultra wealthy means you're pretty smart if you're self made and didn't acquire it from daddy (like most of the examples you cited).

But it also depends on how you got ultra wealthy

Running a hedge fund is exponentially more cognitively demanding than opening up a chain of restaurants, for instance.

[Toomers]

7 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

So your argument is that Ron Rivera was 2x Coach of the year because of Cortland Finnegan, Corey Brown, Cotchery, Mike Remmers, and Trai Turner

Pretty solid argument.

  I’m sure that’s all your feeble mind can(or wants to) draw from that. So it’s just them? No one else. That what your going with? 
 

  I’ll stand pat with the FACTS above. You make up whatever you need to. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, bobowilson said:

In general, being ultra wealthy means you're pretty smart if you're self made and didn't acquire it from daddy (like most of the examples you cited).

But it also depends on how you got ultra wealthy

Running a hedge fund is exponentially more cognitively demanding than opening up a chain of restaurants, for instance.

So using this logic, Tepper should be able to compose a symphony with no problem. Because you know, he's smart, even if he's never actually had any musical training.

[SBiii]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Thinking that just because a guy knows how to make money in hedge funds means that he also knows how to run a football team is a silly assumption.

Are you of the opinion you are more capable of running an NFL franchise than Mr. David Tepper?

[top dawg]

5 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

I'd say it was Hurney that overstayed his welcome.  Both Fox and Rivera immediately went on to improve their records in Marty's absence.

At the risk of making too fine a point of it, Rivera's record started to tank again after MH regained control of the roster.

We all know why the team tanked...or at least we should. 

Anyway, I'm 100 percent NOT shocked that Hurney is expected to do his job during the hiring process. But, I'm fairly sure that Tepper has him on a leash. I still believe Tepper is a thoughtful owner who is looking for another big dawg to come play in the yard, not just stay on the porch. Marty's role is destined to change. This team is destined to change, unless you believe Tepper is a flat out liar & moron (which I don't). The man had patience to a point, and now he's going to do things his way. Whether it's good or bad is still anyone's guess. But considering who he is, I'm not willing to bet against him at such an early stage in his tenure.

People seem more interested in being negative than critical. Patience and time are absolutely necessary in order to see the bigger, clearer picture.

Until then, I refuse to be a member of the Huddle's negative "amen" corner (and hope to never be).

[RumHam]

13 hours ago, bobowilson said:

I keep preaching to everyone that they are in denial about Tepper and Hurney

Everyone is going through mental gymnastics daydreaming about future GM hires, and ignoring the words that actually came out of Teppers mouth about how he believes Hurney is the best evaluator of talent.

The sooner you come to grips with the fact Tepper thinks Hurney is a good GM and has no plans to fire him, the better for your mental health

Well no because then we suffer for years to come. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

40 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

Who drafted that elite quarterback?  I'm having a difficult time remembering

And in case anyone tries to pretend it was an 'easy decision' (anonymous GM poll taken before drafted showed 71% would not take Newton)

And exactly how did we get the first pick in the draft? 

1-15 with a roster Marty built?

The man has 3 winning seasons. If he is so great at finding all these pro bowlers and HoF guys, why can't a Marty Hurney team win or even compete with any type of consistency?

[panthers55]

All this Hurney hate is pulling folks to the dark side.  Tepper wants to let people do what they are good at and knows that the GM job is too big for just one person.. Hurney is great with the draft and llikes a team effort. He may be the one who actually wants to get rid of things he doesn't like doing and wants to focus on what he does. At 64 he knows he isn't going to GM much longer so this is a win- win training the new guys.

Tepper knows what he is doing and has a plan. It seems the people who are the most negative here have an agenda that colors every statement with little objectivity or logic.

 

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

And exactly how did we get the first pick in the draft? 

1-15 with a roster Marty built?

The man has 3 winning seasons. If he is so great at finding all these pro bowlers and HoF guys, why can't a Marty Hurney team win or even compete with any type of consistency?

Actually the 2-14 team in 2010 was the team Richardson built by dumping all the vets in an attempt to save money anticipating a long hold out on the CBA. The 1-15 team in 2001 wasn't built by Hurney for the most part.

And there were more than 3 winning teams under Marty.

 

So much fail in one post.

[Harbingers]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

And there were more than 3 winning teams under Marty.

So much fail in one post.

2003, 2005, 2008. That’s it. 2017 doesn’t count because he didn’t build the roster and was basically a neutered interim GM with no power to make moves at that point.