Drafting 6-8: A Historic Look at Prospects & What 2020 Holds

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Same thing with WRs. Seems like most WRs coming out of college only run two or three routes.

Yep. And yeah, quarterbacks.

People have suggested numerous times that the NFL needs a "minor league". Probably never happen but I'd be all for it.

[davos]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

With so many schools running wonky systems these days, getting a pro-ready offensive tackle (or OL in general) is tougher than it's ever been.

Used to be you could just about guarantee getting quality OL from certain schools but not so much anymore.

Good article on Wirfs:

https://247sports.com/college/iowa/Article/Tristan-Wirfs-Iowa-Hawkeyes-Football-Bleacher-Report-2019-NFL-Draft--141087821/

Thomas, Jedrick Wills, and Wirfs seem like sure-fire talent.  Past them, I think you're rolling the dice with the OT/G talent. 

My early wish list is any one of these 5: Brown at NT, Epenesa at DE, Thomas/Wills/Wirfs at OT

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, davos said:

Good article on Wirfs:

https://247sports.com/college/iowa/Article/Tristan-Wirfs-Iowa-Hawkeyes-Football-Bleacher-Report-2019-NFL-Draft--141087821/

Thomas, Jedrick Wills, and Wirfs seem like sure-fire talent.  Past them, I think you're rolling the dice with the OT/G talent. 

My early wish list is any one of these 5: Brown at NT, Epenesa at DE, Thomas/Wills/Wirfs at OT

He's one I've heard a lot of positive about.

Also like what I've seen of Tyler Biadasz out of Wisconsin, and not just for the name (though that's pretty cool).

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yep. And yeah, quarterbacks.

People have suggested numerous times that the NFL needs a "minor league". Probably never happen but I'd be all for it.

Meh, honestly the college game has been the driver of innovation for awhile now. Just look at the typical NFL offense these days. Most look a lot more like a college offense than the stereotypical "pro style" offense of old.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Meh, honestly the college game has been the driver of innovation for awhile now. Just look at the typical NFL offense these days. Most look a lot more like a college offense than the stereotypical "pro style" offense of old.

They're also not as good.

The quality of play in the NFL is nowhere near where it used to be.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, top dawg said:

The scheme change caused havoc with our run defense, and maybe more importantly our two Pro-Bowl DTs got injured. 

Honestly, I think the "scheme change" was overblown. I think we basically ran the same defense, we just tried to do it with DEs that were 30 pounds lighter than before.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

They're also not as good.

The quality of play in the NFL is nowhere near where it used to be.

Say what? Overall offensive numbers are better than ever before.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Say what? Overall offensive numbers are better than ever before.

I'm not talking about numbers. I'm talking quality of play.

You can get better numbers with rule changes. But these days, receivers don't know routes, tackles can't block, defenses can't tackle, quarterbacks are used to gimmicky offenses and overall it's just plain bad compared to prior years.

Granted, having a higher number of teams than in the past means the available talent is spread thinner.

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not talking about numbers. I'm talking quality of play.

You can get better numbers with rule changes. But these days, receivers don't know routes, tackles can't block, defenses can't tackle, quarterbacks are used to gimmicky offenses and overall it's just plain bad compared to prior years.

Granted, having a higher number of teams than in the past means the available talent is spread thinner.

Quality of play is completely subjective though. I mean, people who only knew leather helmet no forward pass football would be completely baffled by today's game. The game will always evolve. 

[thefuzz]

15 minutes ago, davos said:

Good article on Wirfs:

https://247sports.com/college/iowa/Article/Tristan-Wirfs-Iowa-Hawkeyes-Football-Bleacher-Report-2019-NFL-Draft--141087821/

Thomas, Jedrick Wills, and Wirfs seem like sure-fire talent.  Past them, I think you're rolling the dice with the OT/G talent. 

My early wish list is any one of these 5: Brown at NT, Epenesa at DE, Thomas/Wills/Wirfs at OT

I have zero problem going with any position on OL if the player checks out.  I'm not stuck in the old school where only T's are taken in the 1st and G and C's all slide.  That's outdated.

That said, if this guy checks the boxes, getting a good LT for 5 years has me salivating.

[davos]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not talking about numbers. I'm talking quality of play.

You can get better numbers with rule changes. But these days, receivers don't know routes, tackles can't block, defenses can't tackle, quarterbacks are used to gimmicky offenses and overall it's just plain bad compared to prior years.

Granted, having a higher number of teams than in the past means the available talent is spread thinner.

Lineman used to be more gritty and fat whereas they're now more athletic.  The prototype for positions has changed just like it has in the NBA over time.  The LB position is a good example of this evolution regardless of the scheme. 

I think the quality of the game has gone down due to rule changes and poor officiating, the talent has actually gone up.  It's just different. 

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Quality of play is completely objective though. I mean, people who only knew leather helmet no forward pass football would be completely baffled by today's game. The game will always evolve. 

Gonna have to disagree here. Prior year's players were asked to do more than today's generally are, and they did it.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, davos said:

Lineman used to be more gritty and fat whereas they're now more athletic.  The prototype for positions has changed just like it has in the NBA over time.  The LB position is a good example of this evolution regardless of the scheme. 

I think the quality of the game has gone down due to rule changes and poor officiating, the talent has actually gone up.  It's just different. 

Yep. Prototypical 1980s run stuffing LBs would get absolutely shredded in today's game.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Gonna have to disagree here. Prior year's players were asked to do more than today's generally are, and they did it.

Definitely disagree with that take.