HeyVern! (The Butler Dilemma)

[WarHeel]

Took him 4 years to show production and then the cheap shot last week. Send him packing.

[Snake]

Do not want. He's a part of a horrible Dline and he hasn't performed in the past. He's from bust city USA. 

[MHS831]

8 hours ago, top dawg said:

Patience is a virtue. Sometimes it takes a while for players to develop. Honestly, when given a chance, he's made some plays, and his improvement is kind of palpable. He is definitely rotation material.

Even though we didn't need him.when we drafted him, we might as well keep him if the price is right.

 

I don't know WTF was wrong with him on that play.

We have been quick to cut players before htat have had long careers.  Evan Mathis comes to mind.  I think Terrell McClain is still in the league. 

[4Corners]

I was good with parting ways with him but after last week’s performance and incredible middle finger to some idiot Colts fan- I am sold. Resign him. We need guys like this on the team. Playing with some emotion and fire. Too many pussies on this team. 

[MHS831]

6 hours ago, Rags said:

That wasn't a shot specifically at Vern, but that's a part of the human condition to get complacent and contract year play is a real thing. Doug Martin recently comes to mind.

That said when you only have 1 out of 4 really strong season, you still don't want to buy high.

 

You mean like the Redskins and Josh Norman? (Dodged that bullet)

[MHS831]

Personally, I have seen enough to move on, but the stats surprised me--if stats are used in contract negotiations, then he could get more than you think---a desperate team with some cap room and a bad GM (see Redskins, Washington) might overpay--

You can say stuff like, "Look at all 4 years..." but if a player is putting it together in year four,  are you happy being the farm team (see Mathis, Evan) for a rival team?  So much has to do with system.  Butler is very versatile and in a new system with a new coach that stays on his ass, he could be a steal. 

[MHS831]

7 hours ago, WUnderhill said:

Keep him on 1 year deals so he’s always in a contract year, bc otherwise he sucks.

Because that one time this was true, it is safe to say that is always the case.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Because that one time this was true, it is safe to say that is always the case.

Well, we shouldn’t cut anyone because Evan Mathis started using, I mean playing well after 4 teams and 8 years in the NFL?  So what’s the difference? 

[4Corners]

21 minutes ago, bull123 said:

Seriously?

id pay him league minimum and tell him to take it or leave it

he is horrible on run defense...a bust of a 1st round pick

Wow what an incredibly stupid analysis. Marty doesn’t have to worry about Bull123 taking his job. 

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

Well, we shouldn’t cut anyone because Evan Mathis started using, I mean playing well after 4 teams and 8 years in the NFL?  So what’s the difference? 

Really?  It was an example. So you are saying that all players who have a good season in year 4 are only performing because they are in contract years so they should be cut?  See--your weak logic goes both ways.

[Toomers]

12 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Really?  It was an example. So you are saying that all players who have a good season in year 4 are only performing because they are in contract years so they should be cut?  See--your weak logic goes both ways.

How was it different than him pulling the exception, which you dismiss, while you use an example(exception as well) twice? How can you do it but no one else. 
 
  If I said just because it happened to Mathis, that makes it always true? In the same sarcastic way.How would it be different from your statement about his post. 
 

   The only logic is what you posted. Which makes no sense or is hypocritical. You choose?

   And I don’t care about every other player ever cut or signed or whatever..I don’t need to search for random examples to further my stance. I have repeatedly made many comments about HIS play. Not random guys who got cut over a decade ago. Are you seriously trying to say it should be a factor in any decision? Ever! Wow! 

[LinvilleGorge]

I've been ready to move on.

[Ivan The Awesome]

Butler had so many years to prove his worth and not until now he shows something. I'm ready to move on. Draft his replacement in the 2nd or 3rd round, You'll see more production from a guy like that than this bust. 

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

How was it different than him pulling the exception, which you dismiss, while you use an example(exception as well) twice? How can you do it but no one else. 
 
  If I said just because it happened to Mathis, that makes it always true? In the same sarcastic way.How would it be different from your statement about his post. 
 

   The only logic is what you posted. Which makes no sense or is hypocritical. You choose?

   And I don’t care about every other player ever cut or signed or whatever..I don’t need to search for random examples to further my stance. I have repeatedly made many comments about HIS play. Not random guys who got cut over a decade ago. Are you seriously trying to say it should be a factor in any decision? Ever! Wow! 

Yes--you had your logic reversed with an equally ridiculous assumption and you are attacking it.  How marvelous.