Falcons GM and HC will return in 2020

[WOW!!]

Pete Carroll  .

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

No, you didn't. There is no qualifier in this statement. You just say he had two owners in the NFC South. 

Rivera was owned by opposing coaches during the Gettleman years too, so trying to interject that argument is really just trying to shift the subject. 

I don't mind that you may try and pitch your take as one based on your emotions about the event but that was not your original statement. If you meant it to be a recency biased argument, you need to at least add that period as a qualifier. I would have never even bothered arguing that point. 

Emotions? Eeehhh, no. The only thing I regret about that original statement is that "couple" was probably too small a word.

It's not the least bit emotional a statement to say that the combination of Hurney and Rivera has been terrible. And it's not that I thought Rivera was a great coach and Marty draggef him down. He was never really that good. The fact that we won as much as we did in the non-Hurney years is borderline miraculous.

And yes, Payton owns him right now, even if he didn't before. Three years of dominance is enough for me to say that.

[kungfoodude]

26 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Emotions? Eeehhh, no. The only thing I regret about that original statement is that "couple" was probably too small a word.

It's not the least bit emotional a statement to say that the combination of Hurney and Rivera has been terrible. And it's not that I thought Rivera was a great coach and Marty draggef him down. He was never really that good. The fact that we won as much as we did in the non-Hurney years is borderline miraculous.

And yes, Payton owns him right now, even if he didn't before. Three years of dominance is enough for me to say that.

Lol, couple is too small of a word for a group of NFC South coaches? I think you are getting lost in what your actual argument was or didn't communicate your point clearly. 

FWIW:

Mike Smith(5-4 record versus Rivera at the Falcons, 3-4 record versus Rivera as Tampa DC)

Bruce Arians(1-1 record versus Rivera at the Bucs, 1-3 record versus Rivera as Arizona HC)

Dirk Koetter(3-3 record versus Rivera as HC of the Bucs, 0-2 versus Rivera as OC of the Bucs, 3-4 versus Riveara as Falcons OC)

Lovie Smith(0-4 record versus Rivera as HC of the Bucs, 2-0 versus Rivera as HC of the Bears)

Greg Schiano(2-2 record versus Rivera as HC of the Bucs)

Raheem Morris(0-2 record versus Rivera as HC of the Bucs, 1-0 versus Rivera as DB coach of the Redskins, 8-2 record as DB/WR/Secondary coach of the Falcons)

 

So there is your complete data for Rivera versus NFC South coaches during his tenure(with bonus info). So, pretty much in his entire NFC South tenure one head coach "owned" him, Dan Quinn. 

As I said, we started at having two NFC South head coaches that are his owners(your original statement) and now we are into Hurney, Gettleman, the past three years versus Sean Payton, etc, etc.

So, you are definitely having some recency bias with the Sean Payton statements and now you are just generally trying to muddy the waters of the discussion with ancillary points. 

Look, Rivera only had one dude that owned him as an NFC South coach. Whatever. One thing that should definitely stand out, he damn sure didn't own any other coaches who had more than a two year tenure. 

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Lol, couple is too small of a word for a group of NFC South coaches? I think you are getting lost in what your actual argument was or didn't communicate your point clearly. 

FWIW:

Mike Smith(5-4 record versus Rivera at the Falcons, 3-4 record versus Rivera as Tampa DC)

Bruce Arians(1-1 record versus Rivera at the Bucs, 1-3 record versus Rivera as Arizona HC)

Dirk Koetter(3-3 record versus Rivera as HC of the Bucs, 0-2 versus Rivera as OC of the Bucs, 3-4 versus Riveara as Falcons OC)

Lovie Smith(0-4 record versus Rivera as HC of the Bucs, 2-0 versus Rivera as HC of the Bears)

Greg Schiano(2-2 record versus Rivera as HC of the Bucs)

Raheem Morris(0-2 record versus Rivera as HC of the Bucs, 1-0 versus Rivera as DB coach of the Redskins, 8-2 record as DB/WR/Secondary coach of the Falcons)

So there is your complete data for Rivera versus NFC South coaches during his tenure(with bonus info). So, pretty much in his entire NFC South tenure one head coach "owned" him, Dan Quinn. 

As I said, we started at having two NFC South head coaches that are his owners(your original statement) and now we are into Hurney, Gettleman, the past three years versus Sean Payton, etc, etc.

So, you are definitely having some recency bias with the Sean Payton statements and now you are just generally trying to muddy the waters of the discussion with ancillary points. 

Look, Rivera only had one dude that owned him as an NFC South coach. Whatever. One thing that should definitely stand out, he damn sure didn't own any other coaches who had more than a two year tenure.

"Couple" is too small a word for the number of NFL coaches that had Rivera's number.

On Payton, we'll have to disagree.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

"Couple" is too small a word for the number of NFL coaches that had Rivera's number.

On Payton, we'll have to disagree.

Fair enough, you didn't say NFC South coaches specifically in that statement.

Yeah, we will disagree on Payton. I just don't consider a two game advantage in 18 games as "owning." 

[steven8989]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Fair enough, you didn't say NFC South coaches specifically in that statement.

Yeah, we will disagree on Payton. I just don't consider a two game advantage in 18 games as "owning." 

LMAO u don't think a coach owns us if has won like 6 out of last 8. I really consider and most people do if they played that would be 7 out of 8. Saints would have never lost at home last game last year. 

[WUnderhill]

Lol, they got Rivera’d. A bunch of meaningless wins once the season was already lost to save the coaches job.

[Mr. Scot]

Speaking of the Falcons...

In all seriousness, that's a pretty good price for a football.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

People ITT acting like Sean Payton didn't figure out Rivera the past few years lmao

 

[Clicheking]

Meh.... I dont care one way or the other. I just hope our new coach can win some division games for a change

[LinvilleGorge]

I don't blame them. Obviously not the results they were looking for this year, but it's impressive how that team kept fighting for their coach when saving his job was all they had to play for. It's the opposite of what this team did over the past two seasons.

[steven8989]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't blame them. Obviously not the results they were looking for this year, but it's impressive how that team kept fighting for their coach when saving his job was all they had to play for. It's the opposite of what this team did over the past two seasons.

Which is why they should have canned Rivera last year and we wouldn't have went through two straight seasons of this. You could tell the team gave up on his ass last year.

[Iron Saint]

[Mr. Scot]

I took a look at their boards today just for the hell of it.

It's about what you'd expect