Paradis thus far this season

[Khyber53]

16 hours ago, Waldo said:

So who has been worse. Williams or Paradis?

In a head to head matchup... they'd both end up on the ground and Trai Turner would be standing there watching someone blow-up our QB.

 

[Khyber53]

There's apparently a lot of truth in the idea that in this day and age, a free agent starting lineman that is available is probably a lot like buying a car from a shady used car lot. There's a lot of stuff hiding under the hood.

Too bad there isn't a CarFax for linemen. 

Draft and grow them seems to be the best bet.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

There's apparently a lot of truth in the idea that in this day and age, a free agent starting lineman that is available is probably a lot like buying a car from a shady used car lot. There's a lot of stuff hiding under the hood.

Too bad there isn't a CarFax for linemen. 

Draft and grow them seems to be the best bet.

it helps an awful lot if the guy doing the evaluating actually has a clue what he's doing.

[Waldo]

21 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

In a head to head matchup... they'd both end up on the ground and Trai Turner would be standing there watching someone blow-up our QB.

 

I honestly can't remember seeing much good from the unit at all this year. Just a never ending series of disapointments. Trai's play and pay level has been pretty bad, not sure a good center fixes thay but just helps cover up the fact he is grossly overpayed now.

[Happy Panther]

Paradis was a badass. We were celebrating drafting two LT in the fall. Turner is a four time pro bowler.

Now they all suck?

How much of this is coaching?

[DubE_4MR]

He's played better during the past few games. I hope that continues into next year.

[top dawg]

There are two sides to every story, and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Happy Panther said:

Paradis was a badass. We were celebrating drafting two LT in the fall. Turner is a four time pro bowler.

Now they all suck?

How much of this is coaching?

Probably not as much of it as we hope.

Turner has taken his foot off the gas (and put a fork in his hand) since he got paid.

Little can't seem to stay healthy so who knows how well he was coached.

Daley overachieved against poor teams but was never really anything special.

Paradis was one of a couple of players we thought would be better coming off of injury than they actually were.

[top dawg]

Things take time. I think it's a little premature to be making definitive statements about rookies, particularly O-linemen.

[mc52beast]

Y’all giving Hurney crap over signing him but I’m pretty sure close to 100% of the Huddle liked it when he signed and called Elway an idiot for letting him go.

[(ATL'ien)CamNewton]

Paradis won't be cut and he'll be an All-Pro next season ..

It's great that he's looking to have played and started all 16 games this season ..

He needed one season to get back to normal after breaking his leg ..

His next two years under-contract will more than make-up for his sub-par year this season

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

This guy was a whopper in last year’s draft. Still can’t believe we ignored the interior in the last two drafts knowing Norwell wasn’t in Marty’s plan and Kalil announced his retirement. McCoy was every bit as impressive as Bradbury at the combine (4.89 40 at 300+ pounds) and was considered a top tier C prospect. We even had him in for a visit. Instead we wasted 47 and 77 on a project who we considered at 16 even though no one but us wanted him (like Grier).

He was just sitting there at our original 2nd round pick but that amazing scout was so dead set on Little that he threw away way more value that he needed to just to get him. Pick 100 was the exact difference between 47 and 37, 77 was too much. The Falcons traded 79 and 45 to get to 31 and got a 6th rounder back and the 5th year option.

It still ticks me off a bit knowing that our interior was falling apart over 2018 and 2019 and we spent 3 picks on a LT project in two great interior OL drafts.

One of the most damning things to be was not making an attempt to upgrade from GVR on such a stacked interior OL draft. Even if Paradis hadn't been such a disaster, why would you not attempt to get better at what was considered to be one of your weakest links on the OL? 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

100% agree and I posted that the past two years in the draft threads. When you lose two all-pro players at C and G and you ignore the stacked classes, you get what you deserve. It’s typical Marty falling in love with something no one else sees and ignoring the fact that we had pick 47, 77, 100, 115 and could have had our pick of interior OL/DL studs and locked that poo down. In 2018, we lost Norwell. In 2019, we lost Kalil. In 2020, Poe and Short counted $30M+ on the cap with mediocre play in 2018. What did we do? Spent 47 and 77 on Little and 100 and 115 on Grier and Miller. Spent our 5th on a 3rd string RB. So many good picks available and a handful of them (McCoy, Evans and Crosby) we’re private visits. We were patient waiting for Burns and then we got all flustered and jumped for Little and that screwed it all up. 

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/2/20/8072877/what-the-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round

I am working on a modified and more comprehensive version of this but you will like this excerpt from 2005 to 2014 draft data

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Historic Success Chart

The numbers show us the following outline for finding consistent starters:

1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)

2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)

3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)

4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)

5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)

6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)

7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)

 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, stbugs said:

I’d love to see the rate breakdown by OL position. We know that Ts go way before C/G so I’d bet taking McCoy in the 2nd has a much better hit rate than 2nd round tackles because you are looking at top 5 interior OL versus top 10 Ts.

It’d be interesting to see if the 2nd C has the same bust rate as the 2nd T and where they get picked. I have a feeling that those late 1st round/2nd round interior OL make the bust rate look better.

You'd probably have to dive deep into that data only because sometimes a bust at OT can end up as a starting interior offensive lineman. I can try and add that in but it might be a lot more difficult.