The 34 and why it didn't work this year

[BurnHurnBurn]

1 minute ago, Matt62881 said:

Touche, it should be doable but probably only if Marty is replaced....there is derrick Brooks in the 1st and high quality Cs and Gs can be found in the 2nd and 3rd....so we will just have to see.

I'm not a college guy, so I'll defer to your knowledge on the subject.  My opinion is just that, and it would also require the necessary pieces be available and acquired.  We both have workable solutions not guaranteed to play out in reality.

[WOW!!]

I'm just going to say this.. I didn't think you could change your scheme and players and be good at a new system in one year.. I thought it was a desperation shot from Rivera in the 1st place.. 

[Harbingers]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

I'm just going to say this.. I didn't think you could change your scheme and players and be good at a new system in one year.. I thought it was a desperation shot from Rivera in the 1st place.. 

Tepper you mean. 

[WOW!!]

4 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Tepper you mean. 

Noooo.. Tepper still has his job right??

[Sgt Schultz]

3 hours ago, thefuzz said:

Dumb idea tossed out by a desperate man to try to save his job.

Idea was compounded when said desperate man, goes to a woefully ill prepared boss of his to try to acquire the pieces to make said bad idea work.

 

Basically, I agree with this.  We did not decide to switch schemes from a point of strength. 

My bet is we did NOT come to the conclusion of "wow, the talent on our defense would excel in a 3-4" but rather "well, we sucked this year and we played a 4-3, so let's switch to the 3-4.  We have to do something." 

Sort of like throwing the excrement against the wall to see if it sticks.

[Matt62881]

2 hours ago, BurnHurnBurn said:

I'm not a college guy, so I'll defer to your knowledge on the subject.  My opinion is just that, and it would also require the necessary pieces be available and acquired.  We both have workable solutions not guaranteed to play out in reality.

I'm not much of a college guy either, I've been hearing Derrick Brooks when asked the question for NT here from quite a few...and just going off prior knowledge of previous drafts. Freak of nature 34 NT usually have to be found in the first but dont bust much, there just aren't many of them. Interior olineman tend to fall because tackles are more coveted however tackles seem to have a higher bust rate then guards and center's. It just seems the stars could align for us and if we can maintain most of our players, keep Cam, and field a defense similar to the 2015 Broncos, we not only dont have to rebuild but would be darn good next season. I also wouldn't mind a 2015 version of our 43 D but dont see us finding a 43 version of Burns and filling the other holes. Watching Burns early this year sent chills down my spine, the possibility we found one of the great 34 lbs of the league.....his bend and athleticism are just freakish. Him, keek, Cam, DJ, and CMC all on one team makes me giddy lol.

[Matt62881]

3 hours ago, BurnHurnBurn said:

I'm not a college guy, so I'll defer to your knowledge on the subject.  My opinion is just that, and it would also require the necessary pieces be available and acquired.  We both have workable solutions not guaranteed to play out in reality.

Did a little research into early college positional predictions and came up with this...may require possible trade ups.... 1. Derrick Brown (freak DT, can play 1 and 3 tech) 2. Tyler Biadasz(#1 C on the top 50 board I used, could require a possible trade up but he looks to be a franchise guy and with our draft position wouldn't take much of an trade up, he was 30th overall). 3. Ben Bredson (solid LG) 4. Leki Fotu(run stuffing NT...could add some weight, would come out on passing downs). Of course I would love a FS but Tre has played fine and would be better with these guys up front....these four players would address what we need for the 34 and our most glaring oline needs. The rest of the draft could be bpa by position of need. We could also move between the 34 and 43 seemlessley.

[BurnHurnBurn]

34 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

I'm not much of a college guy either, I've been hearing Derrick Brooks when asked the question for NT here from quite a few...and just going off prior knowledge of previous drafts. Freak of nature 34 NT usually have to be found in the first but dont bust much, there just aren't many of them. Interior olineman tend to fall because tackles are more coveted however tackles seem to have a higher bust rate then guards and center's. It just seems the stars could align for us and if we can maintain most of our players, keep Cam, and field a defense similar to the 2015 Broncos, we not only dont have to rebuild but would be darn good next season. I also wouldn't mind a 2015 version of our 43 D but dont see us finding a 43 version of Burns and filling the other holes. Watching Burns early this year sent chills down my spine, the possibility we found one of the great 34 lbs of the league.....his bend and athleticism are just freakish. Him, keek, Cam, DJ, and CMC all on one team makes me giddy lol.

I like the idea.  It sounds great.  As we discussed earlier, the problem is in who is making the roster moves?  Does the draft fall just right?  Does every pick pan out? Do we get the FA's we need and do they pan out?

The reality of the situation that neither of us have brought up, is the next coach is likely to be an offensive guy, and recent reports are saying the new guy will have a lot of say in the process.  Not many Offensive guys are likely to roll with this o-line and go Defense in the 1st.  

It could happen!  It would have to be a no-brainer cant miss prospect the likes of what you've been saying.  I would just feel much better if we paid some attention to where the league has been trending for years...the offense. 

[Matt62881]

2 minutes ago, BurnHurnBurn said:

I like the idea.  It sounds great.  As we discussed earlier, the problem is in who is making the roster moves?  Does the draft fall just right?  Does every pick pan out? Do we get the FA's we need and do they pan out?

The reality of the situation that neither of us have brought up, is the next coach is likely to be an offensive guy, and recent reports are saying the new guy will have a lot of say in the process.  Not many Offensive guys are likely to roll with this o-line and go Defense in the 1st.  

It could happen!  It would have to be a no-brainer cant miss prospect the likes of what you've been saying.  I would just feel much better if we paid some attention to where the league has been trending for years...the offense. 

I agree as you will see in my above mini mock, however we wont know until the draft is closer, but derrick brown might just be impassable and the bust rate of olineman in the first is rather high vs maybe an almost sure thing. But the next 2 of my picks address imo our biggest needs on the oline. I would say C is the biggest...but that is my opinion. Enjoyed chatting about it though!

[BurnHurnBurn]

4 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

Did a little research into early college positional predictions and came up with this...may require possible trade ups.... 1. Derrick Brown (freak DT, can play 1 and 3 tech) 2. Tyler Biadasz(#1 C on the top 50 board I used, could require a possible trade up but he looks to be a franchise guy and with our draft position wouldn't take much of an trade up, he was 30th overall). 3. Ben Bredson (solid LG) 4. Leki Fotu(run stuffing NT...could add some weight, would come out on passing downs). Of course I would love a FS but Tre has played fine and would be better with these guys up front....these four players would address what we need for the 34 and our most glaring oline needs. The rest of the draft could be bpa by position of need. We could also move between the 34 and 43 seemlessley.

I've literally never heard of any of them so I cant really say yea or nay.  I'm sure they would all be good picks.  I've never seen a draft produce nothing but starters and contributors.  It just doesn't happen here.  Getts got the closest but with only a handful of selections and still couldn't do it.

Here's my one poo-poo; This team will not be able to switch seamlessly between the two systems with rookies and vets both figuring it out.

[Matt62881]

1 minute ago, BurnHurnBurn said:

I've literally never heard of any of them so I cant really say yea or nay.  I'm sure they would all be good picks.  I've never seen a draft produce nothing but starters and contributors.  It just doesn't happen here.  Getts got the closest but with only a handful of selections and still couldn't do it.

Here's my one poo-poo; This team will not be able to switch seamlessly between the two systems with rookies and vets both figuring it out.

Good point! And that would lead to blown assignments, I have always felt since the bust rate on picks is higher, I like to trade up and go for what the scouts have deemed closest to sure things. Now that doesn't mean armanti Edward's or (not a trade up, but a stupid pick) gaulden but maybe a Greg little type trade up. I think higher of him then most probably do on this board as for a first year tackle he played decent and got some invaluable experience. The center being beaten like a drum per PFF? didn't help any of the rest of our line and honestly I thought paradis was gonna be better but I guess he was still hurt. There will be hiccups but if we could land our anchors of both lines in the first two picks and that's all we got...it would be a drastic improvement. Obviously I expect better but maybe I'm just a homer lol...I love this team!

[Matt62881]

9 minutes ago, BurnHurnBurn said:

I've literally never heard of any of them so I cant really say yea or nay.  I'm sure they would all be good picks.  I've never seen a draft produce nothing but starters and contributors.  It just doesn't happen here.  Getts got the closest but with only a handful of selections and still couldn't do it.

Here's my one poo-poo; This team will not be able to switch seamlessly between the two systems with rookies and vets both figuring it out.

I just read about them myself...I'll watch some video closer to the draft. 

[Matt62881]

2 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

Good point! And that would lead to blown assignments, I have always felt since the bust rate on picks is higher, I like to trade up and go for what the scouts have deemed closest to sure things. Now that doesn't mean armanti Edward's or (not a trade up, but a stupid pick) gaulden but maybe a Greg little type trade up. I think higher of him then most probably do on this board as for a first year tackle he played decent and got some invaluable experience. The center being beaten like a drum per PFF? didn't help any of the rest of our line and honestly I thought paradis was gonna be better but I guess he was still hurt. There will be hiccups but if we could land our anchors of both lines in the first two picks and that's all we got...it would be a drastic improvement. Obviously I expect better but maybe I'm just a homer lol...I love this team!

You are absolutely correct though protecting Cam (I think he's coming back) is our #1 priority but second is definitely stopping the for sure 4 yd runs. 

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Basically, I agree with this.  We did not decide to switch schemes from a point of strength. 

My bet is we did NOT come to the conclusion of "wow, the talent on our defense would excel in a 3-4" but rather "well, we sucked this year and we played a 4-3, so let's switch to the 3-4.  We have to do something." 

Sort of like throwing the excrement against the wall to see if it sticks.

I threw poo against the wall to test if this worked. Turns out, doesn't stick. But, I also have the beer shits.