Free Agent Left Tackles

[ncfan]

15 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He's going to have to take a far, far, far smaller contract. He wasn't worth the contract he signed there at all. IMO, it's going to be much easier to find those interior linemen(especially OG's). 

Correct 

But they way he's played this year, he wont be getting any Mega offers

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Correct 

But they way he's played this year, he wont be getting any Mega offers

I don't think I'd be willing to offer him much if I were the Panthers. He's more of a link to nostalgia than he is a good player worth pursuing. I'm firmly of the opinion that you try and save money on the OG's and spend on OT's. But, if he comes at a cheap price, he'd definitely be an upgrade. 

[Jared Patterson]

Who are some other guards that would be a major upgrade and even better options then Norwell if he was released?

[Kuechly&Moore]

6 hours ago, CarolinaCat89 said:

37 & 39 yr olds? LIKE WTF NO THANKS

That would depend entirely on if they decide to re-tool and keep Cam or a full rebuild..... Peters and Whitworth will be top five NFL tackles in the NFL next season if they suite up.... If we keep Cam yes yes and yes to either.

[Jared Patterson]

Draft class is absolutely loaded at LT. Erza Cleveland just declared. Im super high on him. You got others like:

Andrew Thomas, Jedrick Wills, Tristian Wirfs, Alex Leatherwood, Prince Tega, Austin Jackson, Lucas Niang, Trey Adams, Mekhi Becton, Josh Jones, Erza Cleveland. 

All have a chance to be early starters. 

I would sign a stud left guard and draft one of these guys to compete with Greg Little and Daley. Also I think most of these guys are better..... Thanks Hurney for trading up

[brandon_87]

Imagine if we had gotten Whitworth instead of Kalil. I feel like Ryan played a huge part in his family con artist scheme.

[Cpt slay a ho]

5 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Getting a player like Williams would be unbelievable. 

It’s on the table considering where we will pick, I think having him as a stop gap and getting little in nfl football shape (Daley) also will be a key in getting this o line in order. 

interior line on both sides needs work, but hard to spend more money on improvements there given the amount of cap already dedicated to both.
 

 

[BurnHurnBurn]

If the team goes LT then my guess would be QB has been addressed or will be in the draft.

If they decide against a QB or the options aren’t favorable, focus on the interior of the line to give CMC as much room as possible.  Try to develop the tackles as we search for QBs.

Franchise LTs are rare and if one is there you get him, obviously, but without a QB, a project Tackle can have time to develop.

Build that line and watch CMC run all the way to the Hall.

 

 

 

[cmichd]

17 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, our new coaching staff has it's work cut out for them in terms of figuring out who fits where and our new GM (please god) has his work cut out for him in terms of who to keep, who to chop, and who to target in FA and the draft. I expect at minimum two new starters on the OL and three wouldn't shock me. Trai and Paradis both are post-June 1st release candidates IMO.

Do you see a CB in the 1st round if they let Bradberry go this.  He does play too soft and his tackling isn't any better than Jackson's but that isn't saying much.  I can't see paying him shut down corner money.

 

[MHS831]

21 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

LT. I think we can deal with Paradis or at least he is much easier to replace. Quality left tackles are one of the hardest things to find in the NFL currently.

He is easier to replace, but that was not the question--do we need a LT more than a C?  If you watched the OL in detail (I do--used to coach OL and got into that habit), C glares at you--most of the OL issues were based on the C breakdown--Paradis was that bad.

If you bring in a stop-gap LT as we discussed earlier, how does Little develop?  To turn the tables on you---you upgrade the C position (cheaper) and focus on developing the early second rounder.  With solid center play, you can help the LT with Manhertz, Armah, etc. when needed, but you can focus on 1 spot until Little develops.

Bringing in a LT does nothing but keeps Little on the sideline.  Of course there is practice, where you see the same moves every week, but LTs do not develop at practice.  They need to see all the different types of edge rushers and work on mechanics to help them develop.  Armstead was a liability in New Orleans his first season.  Little reminds me of him.

The key is to have only one position on the OL that needs help---when Paradis was allowing middle pressure, it suggested 2 things--he was not calling the right schemes because they were fooling him and he lacks the quickness to handle the DTs we face. If you follow rule blocking, think about the guards--(head up, inside, linebacker).  If Paradis is getting beat, they must forget the LB or a stunt from the outside and reach in to help the C.  That puts the T on a tiny island surrounded by sharks.   He is alone--not able to focus on his outside shoulder because the ends were stunting across his face and a LB looped outside.  That is how the Tackles looked bad because Paradis sucked.  Not to say that the Tackles do not need to develop---but asking them to grow in that environment is stupid.

Read what Moose said about the OL--he knows a little bit about it.  Merry Christmas, by the way--enjoy your posts.

 

[TheRed]

I don't know how many of you have noticed, but teams have been getting burned kinda badly by spending big money on FA olinemen. Giants, Jags, the Panthers with Kalil and now Paradis.

The odds that we can fix ours in one swoop with free agency are not good.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 hours ago, cmichd said:

Do you see a CB in the 1st round if they let Bradberry go this.  He does play too soft and his tackling isn't any better than Jackson's but that isn't saying much.  I can't see paying him shut down corner money.

 

I would hope not. Our trenches are a wreck. If the right QB isn't there, I see an OL or DL.

I don't think Bradberry is going to command shutdown CB money.

[LinvilleGorge]

32 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

He is easier to replace, but that was not the question--do we need a LT more than a C?  If you watched the OL in detail (I do--used to coach OL and got into that habit), C glares at you--most of the OL issues were based on the C breakdown--Paradis was that bad.

If you bring in a stop-gap LT as we discussed earlier, how does Little develop?  To turn the tables on you---you upgrade the C position (cheaper) and focus on developing the early second rounder.  With solid center play, you can help the LT with Manhertz, Armah, etc. when needed, but you can focus on 1 spot until Little develops.

Bringing in a LT does nothing but keeps Little on the sideline.  Of course there is practice, where you see the same moves every week, but LTs do not develop at practice.  They need to see all the different types of edge rushers and work on mechanics to help them develop.  Armstead was a liability in New Orleans his first season.  Little reminds me of him.

The key is to have only one position on the OL that needs help---when Paradis was allowing middle pressure, it suggested 2 things--he was not calling the right schemes because they were fooling him and he lacks the quickness to handle the DTs we face. If you follow rule blocking, think about the guards--(head up, inside, linebacker).  If Paradis is getting beat, they must forget the LB or a stunt from the outside and reach in to help the C.  That puts the T on a tiny island surrounded by sharks.   He is alone--not able to focus on his outside shoulder because the ends were stunting across his face and a LB looped outside.  That is how the Tackles looked bad because Paradis sucked.  Not to say that the Tackles do not need to develop---but asking them to grow in that environment is stupid.

Read what Moose said about the OL--he knows a little bit about it.  Merry Christmas, by the way--enjoy your posts.

 

Paradis really was a train wreck. I was pretty excited about that signing. He was a really good center for the Broncos but it certainly seems like those hip injuries have ruined him. He and Daryl Williams both look like shadows of their former selves after the injuries.

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

He is easier to replace, but that was not the question--do we need a LT more than a C?  If you watched the OL in detail (I do--used to coach OL and got into that habit), C glares at you--most of the OL issues were based on the C breakdown--Paradis was that bad.

If you bring in a stop-gap LT as we discussed earlier, how does Little develop?  To turn the tables on you---you upgrade the C position (cheaper) and focus on developing the early second rounder.  With solid center play, you can help the LT with Manhertz, Armah, etc. when needed, but you can focus on 1 spot until Little develops.

Bringing in a LT does nothing but keeps Little on the sideline.  Of course there is practice, where you see the same moves every week, but LTs do not develop at practice.  They need to see all the different types of edge rushers and work on mechanics to help them develop.  Armstead was a liability in New Orleans his first season.  Little reminds me of him.

The key is to have only one position on the OL that needs help---when Paradis was allowing middle pressure, it suggested 2 things--he was not calling the right schemes because they were fooling him and he lacks the quickness to handle the DTs we face. If you follow rule blocking, think about the guards--(head up, inside, linebacker).  If Paradis is getting beat, they must forget the LB or a stunt from the outside and reach in to help the C.  That puts the T on a tiny island surrounded by sharks.   He is alone--not able to focus on his outside shoulder because the ends were stunting across his face and a LB looped outside.  That is how the Tackles looked bad because Paradis sucked.  Not to say that the Tackles do not need to develop---but asking them to grow in that environment is stupid.

Read what Moose said about the OL--he knows a little bit about it.  Merry Christmas, by the way--enjoy your posts.

 

I would definitely agree we have to upgrade over Paradis, however it is much easier to do in the offseason or in the draft than get a quality left tackle. 

As for Little's development, he can always compete for a spot inside or at RT, if need be. And it's easy to say we can "help" Little consistently with extra TE's or a RB but that also means you are forced to literally scheme around one players weakness. IIRC, that is something we did with Darryl Williams when we all thought he was going to be our RT of the future. 

One thing we do need to do, which I completely agree on, is getting it down to just ONE weakness on that OL. Right now, it's about 3-4 weaknesses.