The QB talk is really a moot point at this moment.

[Navy_football]

3 hours ago, Sgt Schultz said:

To give perhaps the most relevant answer to the question, the soap opera of As the Stomach Turns starring Jay Cutler and Josh McDaniels.

Officially, Cutler asked to be traded and was given his wish.  That was after Shanahan was fired, McDaniels was hired, and the report/rumor surfaced that the Broncos were entertaining trade offers.  Connect those dots as you will.

You can argue Cutler was not Cam, but at the time in Denver he was the starting QB and they were expecting/hoping for great things.  And Cam has not been Cam, and nobody knows for sure whether he ever will be again.

And they replaced Cutler with......<drum roll, please> Kyle Orton.  Great move, right there.

Touche. 

Completely forgot about that fiasco. Yes, that is a recent example. But I think we can all agree that if McD could go back he wouldn't have tried to trade Cutle0r in the first place. In other words, "He played himself."

[kungfoodude]

25 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Right and when Dan Quinn is fired this year, do you think the next HC will be looking for Ryan's replacement? Was Reich looking for Luck's replacement when he came in? Cam has missed one season due to injury. Granted he played hurt a number of games last season, but he only missed 2 games due to injury. And let's please stop saying Cam hasn't done anything since 2015. He has been a very good QB with a very bad/mediocre offensive supporting cast for most of his tenure. How could anyone not be excited to see him come back with the skilled players the team has now, is beyond me. He showed just last season that he could be an effective pocket passing QB with a competent OC - at least until JJ's little brother knocked his friggin shoulder out of alignment. But that could happen to any player, particularly one playing behind a such a sham of an offensive line. 

Long term deal right now - no way, I agree. I'd probably want to at least see him running around first. But after that, I'm all in. 

Agree also to fixing the OL and DL. That's the crux of this team right now. But we're talking 2 players on the OL, and 2 players on the DL, and the whole complexion of the team changes. Not world beaters, but competent NFL-level players. Right now we're missing that in a few positions and teams are targetting/abusing them every game. 

Ryan isn't a good example. Atlanta has no choice but to go with Matt Ryan. Here is what it would cost in dead money to cut him:

2020 - $68.9 mil

2021 - $35.3 mil

2022 - $16.8 mil

2023 - $3.7 mil

[Sgt Schultz]

 

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Ryan isn't a good example. Atlanta has no choice but to go with Matt Ryan. Here is what it would cost in dead money to cut him:

2020 - $68.9 mil

2021 - $35.3 mil

2022 - $16.8 mil

2023 - $3.7 mil

Atlanta's cap situation is part of what keeps that potential opening from being all that attractive.  They have issues for the next couple of years.  It starts easing off a little after next season, but it is 2022 or so before it really clears up.  If you are bringing in somebody new to look at even retooling, it is tight. 

[kungfoodude]

31 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

 

Atlanta's cap situation is part of what keeps that potential opening from being all that attractive.  They have issues for the next couple of years.  It starts easing off a little after next season, but it is 2022 or so before it really clears up.  If you are bringing in somebody new to look at even retooling, it is tight. 

On the positive side, it's really just the defensive side of the ball that needs work. That offensive should be potent for the next 2-3 years at least. 

In our situation, we really need a lot of work on both sides of the ball, which is very unfortunate. 

[GoPanthers123]

Scott was the one who wanted Grier and then as head coach he makes the switch to his guy.