Grier's performance

[Wolfcop]

Not sure you can make a judgement either way with trash blocking and WRs who can't get open. 

[WOW!!]

On 12/25/2019 at 11:10 AM, USC/panthers_11 said:

I'm talking in comparison to Grier since those are our only 2 options. Are you trying to imply Grier is a better option? Allen checked the ball down a lot in his last start against Seattle, but prior to that game he completed a good number of passes down field. DJ Moore is 5th in the league for receiving yards.  Allen's turnovers have been his undoing. 

I totally disagree.. I saw Grier attempt more deep passes in that game then Allen did in 3.  Allen got some YAC yards added on his total..

[WOW!!]

On 12/25/2019 at 11:12 AM, raz said:

ron's job was on the line, you best believe if he thought grier had anything he woulda played him sooner.  its ok.  we're starting fresh with a possibly healthy qb, or over.

Ron job was on the line and he made the decision to make a 1 season switch to a different defensive scheme to save it... So let's not put great credit to Ron's decision making when he's desperate... 

Another example Fox stayed with Jake to long when it was clear he was hurt and Waited to late to put Matt Moore in.. Missing the playoffs by 1 game...

[WOW!!]

On 12/25/2019 at 9:56 AM, Kinographer said:

I don't see what anyone sees in Grier at this point. There's a reason they pretty much refused to play him. The dude is a 24 year old rookie and has shown absolutely nothing to make me think he can be an NFL QB. He's looked like a bum in camp, preseason, and now the regular season too. 

 

His pocket awareness was better than Allen and he showed a stronger arm and a willingness to go down field... You can build on that..

[USC/panthers_11]

7 hours ago, WOW!! said:

I totally disagree.. I saw Grier attempt more deep passes in that game then Allen did in 3.  Allen got some YAC yards added on his total..

He didn't complete any of those deep passes, though. He definitely had alot of YAC yards himself with all the check down passes to CMC. Grier threw for only 224 years. Allen threw for more yards in every game except against the 49ers. Neither one of these guys are very good, obviously, but I believe Allen is the better option out of the 2 at this point. I know we are getting smoked on Sunday, but I'd still like to see us have a little bit of success on offense. I'll be pulling for Grier to do well, though, like I do for every player who wears the Panthers uniform. 

[mav1234]

7 hours ago, WOW!! said:

I totally disagree.. I saw Grier attempt more deep passes in that game then Allen did in 3.  Allen got some YAC yards added on his total..

Ok, if you cherry pick certain games, sure, but even as recently as Week 14 Allen attempted 7 passes >20 yards.  Grier had 6 last week.  Allen had 5 in Week 13 and Week 15 too.  Yes, Grier attempted more 40 yard bombs, but he also didn't complete a single one.  Neither appear to be competent in their deep game, and at least Allen is quite good at throws in intermediate range.

Grier *struggled* beyond 10 yards.  He was 3/15 with 3 INTs beyond 10 yards.  No completions > 18 yards.  Of Grier's 224 yards, 171 came on YAC.  But he didn't have Moore, who is a HUGE portion of our air yardage.

Even Allen was at least hitting 15-20 yard completions regularly in every game, right until the end.  And 'only' about 50% of Allen's ~3k yards this season came from YAC.  That isn't a bad number, and by no means indicates he's only tossing checkdowns. But Allen struggled mightily beyond 20 yards, particularly targeting anyone not named DJ Moore.

[mav1234]

On 12/25/2019 at 9:46 AM, TheRed said:

Do what? Are we watching the same games? He barely throws past the line of scrimmage most of the time. You could count on one hand how many successful deep passes we've had the last several weeks.

Allen regularly throws past the line of scrimmage, but he is definitely awful with the deep ball, lol.  Unless our standard of deep ball has become 10 yards.  In which case, Allen at least excels there, even if Grier struggles.  Hopefully this week is different.

(fyi, Kyle Allen's average intended air yards is 8.2 which is nearly identical to Aaron Rodgers,  Matt Ryan, and many other decent QBs, but maaaan does he struggle beyond ~20 yards)

[TheRed]

17 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Allen regularly throws past the line of scrimmage, but he is definitely awful with the deep ball, lol.  Unless our standard of deep ball has become 10 yards.  In which case, Allen at least excels there, even if Grier struggles.  Hopefully this week is different.

(fyi, Kyle Allen's average intended air yards is 8.2 which is nearly identical to Aaron Rodgers,  Matt Ryan, and many other decent QBs, but maaaan does he struggle beyond ~20 yards)

I guess we can argue details, but you can't negate what you are seeing with your own two eyes. Back in November I saw noodle arm Matt Ryan slinging the ball downfield in the Panthers house with ease while we could barely string together a drive let alone complete passes deep. We proceeded to get our asses kicked all afternoon. That's just putrid.