Grier's performance

[45catfan]

2 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

What makes Kyle Allen so much better than Will Grier aside from how he’s better at fumbling and he’s blind? Neither is a solid #2.

Allen got the fumbling mostly under control and actually has won some games in the NFL.   Until the wheels came completely off the entire team, he looked like a very viable option as a #2.  I suspect you are jaded now and not objective since he posed a threat to Cam coming back, either real or just perceived by some here on the huddle.  He's a blight to you now, so I don't expect you to be objective in anything positive regarding Allen.

As far as Grier goes, I hate to see any member of this team fail, but I have stated that I didn't like the pick from word go.  It's not Grier's fault Hurney had a boner for him and drafted him way too high.  Would I like Will to at least give the Saints a run for their money this week?  Absolutely!   Will it actually happen? Probably not.

[Matt62881]

On 12/22/2019 at 7:07 PM, Jeremy Igo said:

All things considered ( dog poo coaching, offensive line, receivers ) I think he did ok for his first taste of the NFL. Worth hanging on to him and seeing if he can progress to being a solid backup for years to come.

He looked way better in his progressions and but has a little problem controlling the cannon arm...wich I kinda love because that means he can learn to control it with game time. I wish he would have played weeks ago, needed the game experience. Hope he has DJ next week if healthy. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

I thought Kyle Allen was more impressive 

[mav1234]

4 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

What makes Kyle Allen so much better than Will Grier aside from how he’s better at fumbling and he’s blind? Neither is a solid #2.

At this point in time, Allen is a significantly better passer.  Grier struggled with anything past a dump off; Allen has thrown some impressive balls right up to 25 yards (and then he generally sucks).  Grier could improve for sure, and I hope he does, but as of last week, Allen was the superior quarterback.  But Grier has some real nice traits that could mean he has higher upside.  We'll see.

[WOW!!]

2 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Allen got the fumbling mostly under control and actually has won some games in the NFL.   Until the wheels came completely off the entire team, he looked like a very viable option as a #2.  I suspect you are jaded now and not objective since he posed a threat to Cam coming back, either real or just perceived by some here on the huddle.  He's a blight to you now, so I don't expect you to be objective in anything positive regarding Allen.

As far as Grier goes, I hate to see any member of this team fail, but I have stated that I didn't like the pick from word go.  It's not Grier's fault Hurney had a boner for him and drafted him way too high.  Would I like Will to at least give the Saints a run for their money this week?  Absolutely!   Will it actually happen? Probably not.

Yes Kyle got a few wins when the team was able to carry him and hide his faults.. You're correct..

[GoPanthers123]

Let’s assume Allen is a game manager, if team is healthy and is actually trying, he can handle it.  Look at his first half of games vs second half of games stats, I suspect once we are too far behind he tries to do too much and right now he can’t.  That’s where he is at. 

[USC/panthers_11]

I'd like to see Allen start since he can at least complete passes down field. Our young receivers need the work as they continue to develop. 

[TheRed]

7 minutes ago, USC/panthers_11 said:

I'd like to see Allen start since he can at least complete passes down field.

Do what? Are we watching the same games? He barely throws past the line of scrimmage most of the time. You could count on one hand how many successful deep passes we've had the last several weeks.

[rico6]

7 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Do what? Are we watching the same games? He barely throws past the line of scrimmage most of the time. You could count on one hand how many successful deep passes we've had the last several weeks.

If your hand is that of a tyrannosaurus rex

[Happy Panther]

We don't care about the W. We care about gathering data for an inevitable choice to be made between QBs. Give Grier the start I say...

[cookinbrak]

He was bad against a bad defense. NO will be playing for playoff seeding. They have a good defense. The mercy rule should be in effect for games like this.

[USC/panthers_11]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

Do what? Are we watching the same games? He barely throws past the line of scrimmage most of the time. You could count on one hand how many successful deep passes we've had the last several weeks.

I'm talking in comparison to Grier since those are our only 2 options. Are you trying to imply Grier is a better option? Allen checked the ball down a lot in his last start against Seattle, but prior to that game he completed a good number of passes down field. DJ Moore is 5th in the league for receiving yards.  Allen's turnovers have been his undoing. 

[raz]

ron's job was on the line, you best believe if he thought grier had anything he woulda played him sooner.  its ok.  we're starting fresh with a possibly healthy qb, or over.

[PantherCam213]

37 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

He was bad against a bad defense. NO will be playing for playoff seeding. They have a good defense. The mercy rule should be in effect for games like this.

Don't think Payton knows what that is.  On the other hand, he may rest his starters once they get 3 tds ahead.