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"I think this is a overall failure as a organization right now"

ncfan

By ncfan,
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amcoolio Mentor

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1 hour ago, KillerKat said:

Don't know how many more times you need to see him getting toasted and beat by his man to see that he is a terrible player.

Schemes have a lot to do with that. The Panthers have had a garbage scheme for a while. How many times have you said "This player is garbage and needs to be cut" only for them to be great elsewhere. A lot. So here's a thought - instead of throwing away a player with a blemish, maybe bring in the right people to get the most out of our players.

 

So sick of these "cut all our players" takes

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Panthercougar68 Grand Master

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29 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

Schemes have a lot to do with that. The Panthers have had a garbage scheme for a while. How many times have you said "This player is garbage and needs to be cut" only for them to be great elsewhere. A lot. So here's a thought - instead of throwing away a player with a blemish, maybe bring in the right people to get the most out of our players.

 

So sick of these "cut all our players" takes

We really haven't been the best at developing talent. Hate on Hurney all you want but there is an expectation that the coaches need to develop the player and no rely on sheer "prospects".

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Who left here to go on and become great in the last 9 years? I’m not sure I can name one guy. We used to find and cultivate or unlock the talent of guys who went on to get big deals elsewhere. Mike Mitchell, Ted Ginn, AJ Klein, Josh Norman. We had All Pros here. Not everyone pans out that way though.

its easy to sit here at the end of the road with our building blocks injured and older and say we didn’t have guys. But yeah we fugin had guys. The coaches and the talent have been drained from this roster. It happens and then you start fresh.

Greg probably is a Rivera fan like most of the players in the locker room. You’re seeing the meltdown when the leader get fired early. The way things are currently is a reflection of the absence of Rivera, not his culture. He established a great culture here. This is what happens when a real leader is gone. If there was a real leader on this team right now we wouldn’t be seeing this.

Tepper may be right in wanting a competitive advantage and also right in saying he didn’t want to go behind Rivera’s back, but those are the easy surface level decisions. Those things are common sense. What he failed to take care of and seemingly failed to understand is what the move does to the locker room morale and what it says to everyone still here— we’ve quit on you. The culture isn’t sitting in stasis for a new coach to arrive, his move to fire Rivera is actively degrading our culture and will make it harder to repair. That’s where Tepper doesn’t actually know about football. Again, we had 2015 because of what we built in 2014. 2014 was ugly, but the youth grew and we didn’t give up and we fought. Culture and organizational toughness carries over. I think of he’s smart, he needs to address the players about his vision for the future, because right now he is the face of this teams leadership and it’s severely lacking.

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6 hours ago, Snake said:

This is so true. Culture changes are never easy but are definitely needed. JR had made this team and coaching staff soft. We need a new front office with new coaching to get a actual winning culture. 

Well it ain’t gonna happen as long as the owner wants to be buddy-buddy and joke it up with the head coach and also believes that the radio show host he has as a GM is the best evaluator of college talent in the biz.

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6 hours ago, mav1234 said:

yeah, and say what you want about Ron, but the team today felt so much worse than even our bad losses with him.  

Yeah, the Panthers LOST with so much more dignity and effort under Rivera.

But lose they did under that ball of old-fashioned mediocrity, so the team ultimately wound up at the same place.

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6 hours ago, mav1234 said:

yeah, and say what you want about Ron, but the team today felt so much worse than even our bad losses with him.  I know we got blown out vs ATL, but this just *felt* different.  Guys were quitting on plays, totally undisciplined... Just awful.

Sometimes one has to take a step(or a couple steps)back to move forward. 

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16 hours ago, Montsta said:

Easy to say when you have one game left before your broadcast career starts. 

I really think he comes back for 1 more season as long as Cam is healthy and is back, he is still really competitive, broadcast both isn't for him yet. They better deploy Ian in 2 right and sets tho! Love ian on drag routes, his speed for a big guy really shines when lbs cant keep up!

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