New HC and future at QB

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, ncfan said:

The top "guys just looking for their first job" are going somewhere that has a Vet QB (yes even if its Dak as Jerrys puppet) or a team that just drafted one in NY or Washington.

Those top "guys going for their first job" are going to jobs where they can hit the ground running.  Vs a job where they pitch "possibly" getting a guy down the road.

See, that's an assumption that I don't agree with.

A guy like Mike McCarthy or like Josh McDaniels would be in position to be demanding. Nobody else really is. The rest will just have to take what they can get or wait till next year.

[ncfan]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't know that there is one.

I think it's a very real possibility that we don't fully solve our quarterback problem this coming offseason.

That'd suck, but would you rather reach for somebody with a first round pick?

And if thats the plan and you still tell the coach candidate that you're going to get rid of Cam.

Your not going to get the hire you want

[ncfan]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

See, that's an assumption that I don't agree with.

A guy like Mike McCarthy or like Josh McDaniels would be in position to be demanding. Nobody else really is. The rest will just have to take what they can get or wait till next year.

But thats just how it is.

 

Again its not Public but this is 99.9999% why we scrapped the Clausen plan and went Cam #1.  Because if Hurney went around tellong that Clausen was the plan and maybe draft a Julio, Patrick Peterson, etc then shoot for Luck etc the next year.

Even Rivera, who was a first time coach wouldve walked out the door

[LinvilleGorge]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't know that there is one.

I think it's a very real possibility that we don't fully solve our quarterback problem this coming offseason.

That'd suck, but would you rather reach for somebody with a first round pick?

Nope. I'd rather roll the dice on a former NFL MVP on the last year of his (in this current QB market) very reasonable contract at a $21M cap hit.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, ncfan said:

But thats just how it is.

 

Again its not Public but this is 99.9999% why we scrapped the Clausen plan and went Cam #1.  Because if Hurney went around tellong that Clausen was the plan and maybe draft a Julio, Patrick Peterson, etc then shoot for Luck etc the next year.

Even Rivera, who was a first time coach wouldve walked out the door

Rivera was a Rooney Rule patsy for years. He'd been passed over left and right. He was taking that job no matter what.

[Mr. Scot]

20 minutes ago, ncfan said:

And if thats the plan and you still tell the coach candidate that you're going to get rid of Cam.

Your not going to get the hire you want

Sorry. if the suggestion is that the only way you're going to get a good head coach is keeping Newton, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one.

There are lots of factors that sell a football team. One that's looking for a head coach probably doesn't have a great roster and might not have a great quarterback. It doesn't stop good prospects from taking the job.

[rayzor]

Someone said there is no such thing as a dumb question. 

Then there was this one.

Seriously don't know how this could be a hard decision to make.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, rayzor said:

Someone said there is no such thing as a dumb question. 

Then there was this one.

Seriously don't know how this could be a hard decision to make.

It's not really valid that those are the only two alternatives though.

Someone pointed that out early on.

[ncfan]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's not really valid that those are the only two alternatives though.

Someone pointed that out early on.

Really the initial question was to lead int the other one

[ncfan]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Sorry. if the suggestion is that the only way you're going to get a good head coach is keeping Newton, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one.

There are lots of factors that sell a football team. One that's looking for a head coach probably doesn't have a great roster and might not have a great quarterback. It doesn't stop good prospects from taking the job.

Not just if we're keeping Cam but if you have a plan in place to go grab your guy if you dont get the chance to have him.

 

If your going to pitch no Cam and then tell them there is no plan to replace him this year and just wait until the year after etc.  

You're going to be HIGHLY disappointed in the calibre of HC your going to land after watching others turn you down left and right

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, ncfan said:

Not just if we're keeping Cam but if you have a plan in place to go grab your guy if you dont get the chance to have him.

If your going to pitch no Cam and then tell them there is no plan to replace him this year and just wait until the year after etc.  

You're going to be HIGHLY disappointed in the calibre of HC your going to land after watching others turn you down left and right

Maybe, but as mentioned before, there are only 32 NFL head coaching jobs in the entire world and it's not an easy opportunity to get.

Questioning the guy who might give you that opportunity could really come back to bite you.

[ncfan]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Maybe, but as mentioned before, there are only 32 NFL head coaching jobs in the entire world and it's not an easy opportunity to get.

Questioning the guy who might give you that opportunity could really come back to bite you.

And out of those 32 2-4 open up every year.

You act like this is their only opportunity.   You ever learn not to just jump to the first thing no matter what it is.  You weigh the scenario.  Just because he doesn't take this job doesn't mean he'll never get a opportunity again.  They are going to still take best case scenario.

 

And questionkng that guy, per say Hurney isnt going to bite sh!+ down the road for some kid.

You think the Chiefs, Broncos, Dolphins, Lions, and others will be like we're not going to look at him because he turned down Marty Hurney and the Panthers.  The team with no back to back winning seasons, no plan at QB.  Nope not going to hire him.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, ncfan said:

And out of those 32 2-4 open up every year.

You act like this is their only opportunity.   You ever learn not to just jump to the first thing no matter what it is.  You weigh the scenario.  Just because he doesn't take this job doesn't mean he'll never get a opportunity again.  They are going to still take best case scenario 

It might be.

Darrell Bevell was, at one time, considered to be one of the hottest head coaching prospects there was. But his opportunities went way down after one poor call in the Super Bowl.

His story isn't unique.

[Jon Snow]

2 hours ago, ncfan said:

So then that pushes.

Is Hurney's and Teppers hand going to be tied to holding onto Cam this next year.  Especially in this situation where you are trying to find a HC.

I suspect they will be in the market for a plan B if things with Cam doesn't work out.  But I'm positive they will not be relying on Allen and or Grier to flounder through next season.   Unless the plan is to tank for their QB in the draft next year.