New HC and future at QB

[ncfan]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Most new head coaches are coming into teams that have bad situations of some sort, QB frequently being one of them.

Of course, by the time they get to this point, most of them have egos the size of a mountain so they probably think they can handle it.

Most of them do.

But they all come into situations where there is going to be a concrete future at the QB position going forward.

Majority of new coaches have a established guy already there and just a bad situation with everything else, use the Lions for an example.

Or have a QB they drafted uo top they are already planning to build around (Haskins, Daniel Jones, etc),

or Plan to draft one that first draft.

 

No half decent coach is going to come right in if Hurney say's we're going to roll with Jimmy Clausen and a guy that no one though enough of in the first 3 rounds.

 

He11 look at our last coaching search.  We drafted Jimmy MF Clausen in the 2nd round then turned right around and drafted Cam #1.  

Why?  Because No coach was coming in here if Marty drew out a plan that we were going to continue to roll with Clausen and Matt Moore then maybe draft Luck the following year.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, ncfan said:

Most of them do.

But they all come into situations where there is going to be a concrete future at the QB position going forward.

Majority of new coaches have a established guy already there and just a bad situation with everything else, use the Lions for an example.

Or have a QB they drafted uo top they are already planning to build around (Haskins, Daniel Jones, etc), or Plan to draft one that first draft.

No half decent coach is going to come right in and say we're going to roll with Jimmy Clausen and a guy that no one though enough of in the first 3 rounds.

He11 look at our last coaching search.  We drafted Jimmy MF Clausen in the 2nd round then turned right around and drafted Cam #1.  

Why?  Because No coach was coming in here if Marty drew out a plan that we were going to continue to roll with Clausen and Matt Moore then maybe draft Luck the following year.

Our quarterback situation isn't going to be resolved before next year at the earliest, but we can't wait on that before we hire somebody.

It's going to be really, really tricky.

[ncfan]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Our quarterback situation isn't going to be resolved before next year at the earliest, but we can't wait on that before we hire somebody.

It's going to be really, really tricky.

Here's the thing

You are going to have a Really Really tough time finding a half decent HC if your plan is to get rid of a Franchise QB (hurt or not) and then not plan on getting that future QB1 That year.

Again perfect point.  The big Reason we scrapped the Clausen experiment so dam fast.  Because if Marty came in and said this is your option this year, then we can figure the future of that position the following year via draft ect.  Rivera and any HC candidate would laugh at him, turn around and walk out 

Tepper says he "likes to hold onto coaches awhile" like the steelers.  But this is a $$$ business and a win now league.  Thus why you see coaches being fired after only 1-2 seasons.  No coach is going to come in to a situation where its kick the can down (we'll address the future at the QB spot the following year).  He needs to try to win from the start and being handicapped by a dumb plan to pretty much tank aint going to cut it.

[AU-panther]

Some coaches are just happy to get a shot at being a NFL head coach.
Some coaches are cocky enough to believe they can win with whoever and/or develop someone.

Personally I think one of the biggest concerns for an incoming coach is the stability of the ownership and if said owner will give you the time you need to succeed. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, ncfan said:

Here's the thing

You are going to have a Really Really tough time finding a half decent HC if your plan is to get rid of a Franchise QB (hurt or not) and then not plan on getting that future QB1 That year.

Again perfect point.  The big Reason we scrapped the Clausen experiment so dam fast.  Because if Marty came in and said this is your option this year, then we can figure the future of that position the following year via draft ect.  Rivera and any HC candidate would laugh at him, turn around and walk out 

That's why I don't think the plan will be to go with Allen or Grier next year.

I think we're looking at a first-round quarterback, but we might have to trade up to get the guy we really want.

That's gonna be a bear to do, if we have to.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Some coaches are just happy to get a shot at being a NFL head coach.
Some coaches are cocky enough to believe they can win with whoever and/or develop someone.

Personally I think one of the biggest concerns for an incoming coach is the stability of the ownership and if said owner will give you the time you need to succeed. 

Tepper's been pretty clear on that front.

[ncfan]

1 minute ago, AU-panther said:

Some coaches are just happy to get a shot at being a NFL head coach.
Some coaches are cocky enough to believe they can win with whoever and/or develop someone.

Personally I think one of the biggest concerns for an incoming coach is the stability of the ownership and if said owner will give you the time you need to succeed. 

 

You would think.  But they arent taking a job "just because they get a shot".  If we are interviewing and seriously considering them, they know theyll have more than 1 opportunity.  

[Mr. Scot]

I feel fairly safe in saying McDaniels doesn't fall into the category of guy who's just happy to be nominated for the Oscar.

Roman, Stefanski or Daboll, though...

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Here's the thing

You are going to have a Really Really tough time finding a half decent HC if your plan is to get rid of a Franchise QB (hurt or not) and then not plan on getting that future QB1 That year.

Especially when you're likely going to be sitting on a borderline top 10 draft pick. It would be a different story if you were sitting on the #1 overall pick or maybe a top 3 pick if a coach was willing to roll with two different QBs in the draft. But at say #9, there's probably going to be two if not three QBs off the board at that point. Burrow is probably going #1 overall, Tua's draft status likely completely hinges on his medicals, and then there's a good chance that someone falls in love with Justin Herbert's physical tools. The odds of a coach getting the QB at his choice or possibly even his #2 choice with a borderline top 10 pick in this draft probably isn't good. And that's assuming we lose out. Win one or both of these last two games and now you're looking at mid-1st round pick.

[ncfan]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's why I don't think the plan will be to go with Allen or Grier next year.

I think we're looking at a first-round quarterback, but we might have to trade up to get the guy we really want.

That's gonna be a bear to do, if we have to.

And thats what I was looking for.

There are some people here that are so convinced that Cam wont be in a Panthers jersey next year.  Then a different conversation on here later say they dont think we will draft a QB.  

That may work if you have a coach already.  But your trying to hire someone with that plan (Cam not here And not drafting a QB rd 1).  You may as well go ahead and start interviewing Shula because hardly anyone else is going to want to touch this job.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, ncfan said:

And thats what I was looking for.

There are some people here that are so convinced that Cam wont be in a Panthers jersey next year.  Then a different conversation on here later say they dont think we will draft a QB.  

That may work if you have a coach already.  But your trying to hire someone with that plan (Cam not here And not drafting a QB rd 1).  You may as well go ahead and start interviewing Shula because hardly anyone else is going to want to touch this job.

Cam's not a sure thing, though.

Even if he does come back, how certain is anybody that he's healthy enough to complete a full season?

It's not something I could see myself counting on if I were in their position.

[ncfan]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Especially when you're likely going to be sitting on a borderline top 10 draft pick. It would be a different story if you were sitting on the #1 overall pick or maybe a top 3 pick if a coach was willing to roll with two different QBs in the draft. But at say #9, there's probably going to be two if not three QBs off the board at that point. Burrow is probably going #1 overall, Tua's draft status likely completely hinges on his medicals, and then there's a good chance that someone falls in love with Justin Herbert's physical tools. The odds of a coach getting the QB at his choice or possibly even his #2 choice with a borderline top 10 pick in this draft probably isn't good. And that's assuming we lose out. Win one or both of these last two games and now you're looking at mid-1st round pick.

So then that pushes.

Is Hurney's and Teppers hand going to be tied to holding onto Cam this next year.  Especially in this situation where you are trying to find a HC.

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's why I don't think the plan will be to go with Allen or Grier next year.

I think we're looking at a first-round quarterback, but we might have to trade up to get the guy we really want.

That's gonna be a bear to do, if we have to.

And it's really only feasible if the guy we have on our radar slips past the first 3-4 picks. Trading up any higher than that would be brutal. I'm just not a fan of swinging major trades up the draft board. You're just putting too many eggs in one basket at that point. 

[ncfan]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Cam's not a sure thing, though.

Even if he does come back, how certain is anybody that he's healthy enough to complete a full season?

It's not something I could see myself counting on if I were in their position.

He's not, but he still gives them atleast a glimmer of potential and hope.  Its easier to sell that to someone vs roll with nothing and hope to draft one the next year.