Let's say Grier looks pretty good these last two games

[Harbingers]

11 hours ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

We didn’t call sneaks with Cam Newton in those situations earlier this season. No, we wait until we have tiny little Grier in to see if he can push the line back a yard lol

In fairness I assume that was due to his ankle(foot), considering that’s the launch point for all the pressure when trying to sneak. 

[Jon Snow]

He showed more pocket awareness in one game than Allen has all season.  It's something to build on at least.  If I was forced to pick one to keep going forward I would pick Grier.  If Cam doesn't play here next year I predict we will be picking high again in the 2021 draft.

[45catfan]

The outcome yesterday went just as I thought.  Regardless of his first start, Grier did not look good.  Most of his yards was CMC YAC yards, especially when the game was well in hand and the staff padding Christian's reception yards in garbage time to get closer to 1,000.  Dump off left, dump off right,  pivot route dump off etc... It's not like the staff had Grier in the dog house and intentionally buried him on the depth chart.  He earned 3rd string by being the 3rd best QB.  I'll say it again, Grier was a 3rd round pick and Taylor Heinicke actually looked better in camp.  Taylor should have been the 3rd string, but obviously Hurney wasn't going to cut Grier.

Call it strategy or a conspiracy, but I think they picked the Colts game for a reason.  It looked winnable on paper and they realized how bad that win against the Saints screwed up our draft positioning last year.  Putting in a untested rookie in his first game on the road, "to see what he has" is a perfect cover for a tank job versus an beatable opponent.  By all means start Grier next week too.  I want the highest pick possible!

[Carl Spackler]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

The outcome yesterday went just as I thought.  Regardless of his first start, Grier did not look good.  Most of his yards was CMC YAC yards, especially when the game was well in hand and the staff padding Christian's reception yards in garbage time to get closer to 1,000.  Dump off left, dump off right,  pivot route dump off etc... It's not like the staff had Grier in the dog house and intentionally buried him on the depth chart.  He earned 3rd string by being the 3rd best QB.  I'll say it again, Grier was a 3rd round pick and Taylor Heinicke actually looked better in camp.  Taylor should have been the 3rd string, but obviously Hurney wasn't going to cut Grier.

Call it strategy or a conspiracy, but I think they picked the Colts game for a reason.  It looked winnable on paper and they realized how bad that win against the Saints screwed up our draft positioning last year.  Putting in a untested rookie in his first game on the road, "to see what he has" is a perfect cover for a tank job versus an beatable opponent.  By all means start Grier next week too.  I want the highest pick possible!

Lol strong words from Mr. “I Support All Our QBs as Much as Kyle”

by your metric, Heinicke is also better than Allen because Heinicke earned second string last year. And since Heinicke was immediately signed upon being cut from here, your argument has even more validity. 

[45catfan]

Just now, Carl Spackler said:

Lol strong words from Mr. “I Support All Our QBs as Much as Kyle”

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I supported him, but I'm also not stupid either.  Did I want him to fail and look bad?  No, but I feared he would.  So what is your point?  

 

[Carl Spackler]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

I supported him, but I'm also not stupid either.  Did I want him to fail and look bad?  No, but I feared he would.  So what is your point?  

 

My point is that your expectations were unrealistic given your excessive amount of leeway afforded Kyle Allen last week. 

[Jesse]

His pocket presence is much better, but he sailed quite a few passes over receivers. Too many checksowns to CMC. In just this one game I can tell he’s not the guy. 

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

My point is that your expectations were unrealistic given your excessive amount of leeway afforded Kyle Allen last week. 

Allen has looked decent at times this year.  Grier was a complete unknown and looking at probability alone, he had little shot of succeeding yesterday.  The staff could have kept him on the sidelines for two more games and not exposed him like that.  The fact they are  "looking at him" now considering the team is a train wreck is curious to say the least.  Had Grier went out played a monster game like Kyle did last year in New Orleans, I first would have been humbled, but cautiously optimistic about his future with us.  And yes, I would have been happy for the kid.

[mav1234]

1 hour ago, Carl Spackler said:

by your metric, Heinicke is also better than Allen because Heinicke earned second string last year. And since Heinicke was immediately signed upon being cut from here, your argument has even more validity. 

Last year Heinicke was better ... at least in camp. Which effectively sets the depth chart all year.

He was not better than Allen in camp this year.