"In order for me to leave, they got to get rid of me." - Cam

[therealmjl]

Lol I went to another thread and @Mr. Scot had literally just replied this:

color me shocked he disagreed with something

[steven8989]

22 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Because they and you are dismissing what they are saying from their own mouths as not being true, but want to read between the lines in other statements. If Tepper says he Hope's Cam is healthy and is 100% and an all time great, you say nah hes not committing. Cam says he wants to be here and will get better for Panther fans you say nah hes suppose to say that. Cam says they will have to force me out, you say what else is he suppose to say.

Person speculates* Cam will be traded and you word for word eat that up. You preach it as gospel. These insider sources you believe they have are basically Person or as Scot said some guy in all-pro "but wont mention any names". The funk kind of info does that person have that Schefter or any other big time source doesn't have. 

Hope you and mjligon will be ready to eat a bunch of crow. Nah I forgot both of you will be like these other ones that want to come out of the blue to say something is not happening and then when they are wrong never hear from them again. I guess I will see your posts for a little longer. 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

4 hours ago, Verge said:

Idk why people are piling on Scot here, what he says makes sense and we have multiple examples of it in recent NFL history and it makes sense that both sides are playing it safe with their words. Why would it make sense for Cam to risk going out there, have a season ending injury again, and risk being out of the NFL? It is logical to think he wants a new contract, regardless of what media talk is coming through. 

Because Scot is being selective in his memory to push a narrative.

"Tepper says he is unsure about signing Cam Newton to a top of the line contract" is some how getting changed into "Tepper says he is unsure about re-signing Cam Newton at all".  Which is drastically different in meaning.

Its disingenuous.

Its like saying "Tepper stated he does not like blue trucks.  He likes red trucks" and then drawing the conclusion "Tepper stated he doesnt like trucks!" 

Or he will say something like "Cam Newton won't return unless he changes his mind about playing out his contract".

When you ask him to back up his source, he then turns it around on you.  Like how he told me that he is ignoring me because when I ask for a source to his claims he views it at me spamming "SEZ YOU".

He wants to make wild claims about specific things (not personal speculation), have everyone accept them as truth, and never ask for a source.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I think he is largely getting piled on for being too heavily of one opinion and not simply just saying, "Perhaps. We will see." He tends to play the contrarian angle to any argument for Cam staying in 2020. It doesn't really make his argument invalid but it makes him appear very entrenched in a specific point of view. Being that big of a defender of one angle/side is always going to draw some heat. 

The truth is, insider perspective or not, none of us knows what is going to transpire. We are doing the same thing as the journalists, speculating.

Sure about that?

22 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

What I would like to happen is whatever is whatever's best for the Panthers.

If that means keeping Newton, fine. If it doesn't, also fine.

The one thing I would point out is that believing he's going to be healthy enough to complete a full season when he hasn't been for two years is a huge risk. 

 

21 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Here's the thing...

I never said the decision was made. People act like I've said that, but I never did.

What I have said is that right now, the two sides are at cross purposes. Newton's people want the security of an extension and the Panthers aren't secure doing that. So unless one side changes their mind, they're probably going to wind up splitting.

Nothing about that is a done deal. It's just where things are right now.

And again, none of that is my info. It comes from people with way better connections than me.

That second response was to you specifically.

I've said numerous times in several threads that it isn't set in stone, things can change and the situation is fluid.

Can you find similar examples from the people who have been arguing the other side, acknowledging the possibility Newton could end up being gone?

If you can't, who's actually being inflexible?

[Mr. Scot]

4 hours ago, Verge said:

Idk why people are piling on Scot here, what he says makes sense and we have multiple examples of it in recent NFL history and it makes sense that both sides are playing it safe with their words. Why would it make sense for Cam to risk going out there, have a season ending injury again, and risk being out of the NFL? It is logical to think he wants a new contract, regardless of what media talk is coming through. 

Goes back to Igo's "what are they saying vs not saying" point.

Nobody's making definitive statements, which is something you wouldn't do if you were checking out all options.

2 hours ago, raz said:

because they're over emotional when scot isn't.   over emotional like i was with jake.  over emotional like when i believed in the team and loved every player to the ends of the earth and believed marty when he said addition by subtraction.  they'll just have to get their guts ripped out a few more times.

Said elsewhere, every favorite player I've had in 25 years of watching here left without a fairy tale ending.

That's just football.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

I think you are right but there is an additional element to the piling on. Many of those doing the piling absolutely refuse to acknowledge the truth of what Scott has said repeatedly, that there can often be a big difference between what you would like to happen, and what you expect to happen.

Scott is repeatedly presenting what he considers evidence of what he thinks is likely to happen, not what he actually wants to happen. Some posters, rather than dispassionately consider all possibilities and try to gauge the likelihood of each, consider any discussion of Cam leaving as a form of heresy, and want to brand anyone even talking about it with negative labels and assign motivations to others.

From where I sit, this approach is either an inability to make fairly basic mental distinctions, or approaching the conversation disingenuously from the beginning by being willing to entertain only one point of view.

Cam May be here next year, he may not. Whether you want him to be is a separate thing from whether you expect him to be. I want the cable repair guy to be on time. Whether I expect him to be is a different matter. Why some posters seem unable or unwilling to process this fairly simple distinction is a mystery to me.

Pretty much.

If the team ultimately decides on (and Newton agrees to) one more year, I'll be fine with that. I might hold my breath because it's a huge gamble, but I'll hope it works. Heck, I said that when Tepper agreed to keep Marty around for another year.  I just didn't buy that it would.

Betting on a player who's had significant injuries for a long, long time is a colossal risk, one I'd seriously question if I saw another team doing it.

Emotional connections to the player aside, no different when it's us.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, steven8989 said:

I really don't think you can say speculating. I think Igo, Zack, and Scot know some things. They also can read between the lines with quotes from people unlike alot of the huddle. I even listened to Rivera talk to Rich Eisen and Eisen asked him if Cam will be back next year if healthy. He went around everything and said he would not bet against Cam but would never say he would be back with Panthers if he was healthy. Nobody in the organization is saying if healthy Cam is our qb no doubt, so if you really don't understand that then you don't know football. It's tough because of what Cam has done for this franchise but it looks like bridges have burned. Everyone can keep trying to say these guys don't know poo, but they know a hell of alot more about what's going on than any of you.

I'm not an insider. I just listen to the people who are, and have demonstrated trustworthiness over time.

Way too often I see people judge the trustworthiness of a source by whether they like what they have to say. That's silly.

People I trust are thus because I've seen them be right way more than wrong, regardless of whether or not I liked what they said.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Nobody's making definitive statements

You are literally making definitive statements that are either factually wrong, or don't exist.

When you say something like "Unless Cam changes his mind, he won't play out his contract without an extension"  That is a definitive statement.

When you say "Tepper is unsure about re-signing Cam".  That is a definitive statement that is factually wrong.

When I ask for a source to any claim, what is your response?  "I am gonna ignore you because all you say is SEZ YOU".  

[WoahW]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not an insider. I just listen to the people who are, and have demonstrated trustworthiness over time.

Way too often I see people judge the trustworthiness of a source by whether they like what they have to say. That's silly.

People I trust are thus because I've seen them be right way more than wrong, regardless of whether or not I liked what they said.

Then by all means what have these sources you trust been right on? And have they ever been wrong? You are not a reporter getting a scoop and you can’t share the name you choose not to because if we knew the name we would find all the poo they were wrong about. 
 

It’s beyond pathetic that you keep trying to hide “sources” since if people knew it would go against your “they are right more than wrong” narrative. I hate to break it to you but NONE of the insiders know what Tepper is thinking at all times of the day, so ANYTHING they say is speculation which is perfectly fine until someone like you drives it as definitive truth.

You say because they won’t come out and say “Cam is our QB next year” it’s forgone that he won’t be here. Why can’t it be they are just unsure at this given time? 

[Davidson Deac II]

Fwiw, any roster move is a gamble.  Quarterbacks are bigger gambles because they have more impact than any other position, and because they cost more.  

But if we release/trade Cam and stick with Allen/Grier, its a huge, gigantic gamble.  

If we release/trade Cam, and draft a qb, its a huge gamble.  

If we keep Cam and sign him to a new contract in the hope that he will get and stay healthy, its a huge gamble.  

 

We just have to hope that the front office makes the right choice.  And I am glad its not a choice I have to make.  

 

[Mr. Scot]

15 minutes ago, WoahW said:

Then by all means what have these sources you trust been right on? And have they ever been wrong? You are not a reporter getting a scoop and you can’t share the name you choose not to because if we knew the name we would find all the poo they were wrong about. 

It’s beyond pathetic that you keep trying to hide “sources” since if people knew it would go against your “they are right more than wrong” narrative. I hate to break it to you but NONE of the insiders know what Tepper is thinking at all times of the day, so ANYTHING they say is speculation which is perfectly fine until someone like you drives it as definitive truth.

You say because they won’t come out and say “Cam is our QB next year” it’s forgone that he won’t be here. Why can’t it be they are just unsure at this given time? 

They can speak for themselves.

And if you read just a few posts above, you'll see where I said the exact opposite of what you claim I did.

I suppose it's easier to argue with what you say that I said rather than what I actually said, it's just not valid.

[Car123]

1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

Because they and you are dismissing what they are saying from their own mouths as not being true, but want to read between the lines in other statements. If Tepper says he Hope's Cam is healthy and is 100% and an all time great, you say nah hes not committing. Cam says he wants to be here and will get better for Panther fans you say nah hes suppose to say that. Cam says they will have to force me out, you say what else is he suppose to say.

Person speculates* Cam will be traded and you word for word eat that up. You preach it as gospel. These insider sources you believe they have are basically Person or as Scot said some guy in all-pro "but wont mention any names". The funk kind of info does that person have that Schefter or any other big time source doesn't have. 

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, steven8989 said:

I really don't think you can say speculating. I think Igo, Zack, and Scot know some things. They also can read between the lines with quotes from people unlike alot of the huddle. I even listened to Rivera talk to Rich Eisen and Eisen asked him if Cam will be back next year if healthy. He went around everything and said he would not bet against Cam but would never say he would be back with Panthers if he was healthy. Nobody in the organization is saying if healthy Cam is our qb no doubt, so if you really don't understand that then you don't know football. It's tough because of what Cam has done for this franchise but it looks like bridges have burned. Everyone can keep trying to say these guys don't know poo, but they know a hell of alot more about what's going on than any of you.

I think they know what a few people are thinking in the moment or the general atmosphere but to assume that means they know what will happen is pretty absurd. This is considerably different than getting the scoop that, "Hey, we are about to sign XYZ player." 

We'll see. I have said the only likely true thing, that none of this is set in stone.

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Sure about that?

 

That second response was to you specifically.

I've said numerous times in several threads that it isn't set in stone, things can change and the situation is fluid.

Can you find similar examples from the people who have been arguing the other side, acknowledging the possibility Newton could end up being gone?

If you can't, who's actually being inflexible?

I'm sure that you are largely of the opinion that your sources are because you largely weigh in on that when the subject comes up. I never said that you were inflexible because you have conceded that things could change. But, you must admit that the bulk of your discourse on that matter has been supporting the idea that there is rift between Cam's camp and the team and that he will likely not be here next year.

As I said, it doesn't mean you're opinion is invalid, it just means you have chosen that specific thing to believe, based on the information you have. 

Consequently, when Cam makes a statement like that or Tepper makes a statement saying if Cam is healthy he is the starter, some people will choose to take those statements at face value. Neither side is wrong or right until something actually transpires. It's just a disagreement on what we think the situation is. None of the sources likely have a whole pictures, just little snippets. Only the team and Cam probably know the bulk of the story and the situation.