"In order for me to leave, they got to get rid of me." - Cam

[top dawg]

20 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

By all means, find a post where I questioned his character.

And again, there is no greater sign of stupidity then not being able to distinguish between what someone believes is going to happen versus what they want to happen.

The notion that I'm trying to push him out now is silly. Heck, even if that was what I wanted, that's not something I'd have the power to do.

I have posted many scenarios on here about Hurney, Rivera, Gettleman, etc. I generally don't say what I want to happen because I believe that at the end of the day it's really immaterial, and that's why I don't usually act like my way is the only way and make definitive statements one way or the other---and I'm not the decision maker---so I find it a little disingenuous of you to be chastising someone on "being able to distinguish between what someone believes is going to happen versus what they want to happen." Sorry, Scot, that's just ludicrous in light of some of the discussions---drag-outs---we've had.

[kungfoodude]

9 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

It was a debate. As it should have been. But I dont think it was as overwhelmingly onesided  as with Cam. You hardly hear anyone say stick with Cam as with Wentz vs Foles. The front office went with upside and potential. They could have written Wentz off as injury prone and moved on with a proven hotter commodity.

I think our front office would do well to do its do diligence and not overreact to this foot injury and take it as a blessing and realize it gave the shoulder another season to heal. Could be a blessing in disguise.

Which, the Foles vs. Wentz debate was rightly stoked by Foles taking the reigns and leading them to a Super Bowl victory. It is easy to understand why Eagles fans might want him as a starter for that simple fact. The Eagles were left with taking the younger, much more talented QB vs. a journeyman who may have just caught wind in a bottle during that run. In my opinion, they made the right decision.

In our case, I don't really see much benefit to getting rid of Cam unless he is just unable to get healthy at all. And keeping him does not mean we can't go and sign a veteran backup, or even draft a young QB to potentially groom as a starter. I do believe with Hurney around the front office, we are more likely to keep Cam around. Now we just have to see who else is added and what their impact on the decision is.

 

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, Verge said:

Idk why people are piling on Scot here, what he says makes sense and we have multiple examples of it in recent NFL history and it makes sense that both sides are playing it safe with their words. Why would it make sense for Cam to risk going out there, have a season ending injury again, and risk being out of the NFL? It is logical to think he wants a new contract, regardless of what media talk is coming through. 

I think he is largely getting piled on for being too heavily of one opinion and not simply just saying, "Perhaps. We will see." He tends to play the contrarian angle to any argument for Cam staying in 2020. It doesn't really make his argument invalid but it makes him appear very entrenched in a specific point of view. Being that big of a defender of one angle/side is always going to draw some heat. 

The truth is, insider perspective or not, none of us knows what is going to transpire. We are doing the same thing as the journalists, speculating.

[steven8989]

31 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think he is largely getting piled on for being too heavily of one opinion and not simply just saying, "Perhaps. We will see." He tends to play the contrarian angle to any argument for Cam staying in 2020. It doesn't really make his argument invalid but it makes him appear very entrenched in a specific point of view. Being that big of a defender of one angle/side is always going to draw some heat. 

The truth is, insider perspective or not, none of us knows what is going to transpire. We are doing the same thing as the journalists, speculating.

I really don't think you can say speculating. I think Igo, Zack, and Scot know some things. They also can read between the lines with quotes from people unlike alot of the huddle. I even listened to Rivera talk to Rich Eisen and Eisen asked him if Cam will be back next year if healthy. He went around everything and said he would not bet against Cam but would never say he would be back with Panthers if he was healthy. Nobody in the organization is saying if healthy Cam is our qb no doubt, so if you really don't understand that then you don't know football. It's tough because of what Cam has done for this franchise but it looks like bridges have burned. Everyone can keep trying to say these guys don't know poo, but they know a hell of alot more about what's going on than any of you.

[1of10Charnatives]

40 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think he is largely getting piled on for being too heavily of one opinion and not simply just saying, "Perhaps. We will see." He tends to play the contrarian angle to any argument for Cam staying in 2020. It doesn't really make his argument invalid but it makes him appear very entrenched in a specific point of view. Being that big of a defender of one angle/side is always going to draw some heat. 

The truth is, insider perspective or not, none of us knows what is going to transpire. We are doing the same thing as the journalists, speculating.

I think you are right but there is an additional element to the piling on. Many of those doing the piling absolutely refuse to acknowledge the truth of what Scott has said repeatedly, that there can often be a big difference between what you would like to happen, and what you expect to happen.

Scott is repeatedly presenting what he considers evidence of what he thinks is likely to happen, not what he actually wants to happen. Some posters, rather than dispassionately consider all possibilities and try to gauge the likelihood of each, consider any discussion of Cam leaving as a form of heresy, and want to brand anyone even talking about it with negative labels and assign motivations to others.

From where I sit, this approach is either an inability to make fairly basic mental distinctions, or approaching the conversation disingenuously from the beginning by being willing to entertain only one point of view.

Cam May be here next year, he may not. Whether you want him to be is a separate thing from whether you expect him to be. I want the cable repair guy to be on time. Whether I expect him to be is a different matter. Why some posters seem unable or unwilling to process this fairly simple distinction is a mystery to me.

[therealmjl]

12 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

I really don't think you can say speculating. I think Igo, Zack, and Scot know some things. They also can read between the lines with quotes from people unlike alot of the huddle. I even listened to Rivera talk to Rich Eisen and Eisen asked him if Cam will be back next year if healthy. He went around everything and said he would not bet against Cam but would never say he would be back with Panthers if he was healthy. Nobody in the organization is saying if healthy Cam is our qb no doubt, so if you really don't understand that then you don't know football. It's tough because of what Cam has done for this franchise but it looks like bridges have burned. Everyone can keep trying to say these guys don't know poo, but they know a hell of alot more about what's going on than any of you.

Lol don’t lump Scot in with those two. He just latches on to anything they speculate on and serves it up as argumentative fact.

there have been several instances where they have been dead wrong about “insider” information.

Also- Tepper literally just said last week he wants healthy Cam.

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Which, the Foles vs. Wentz debate was rightly stoked by Foles taking the reigns and leading them to a Super Bowl victory. It is easy to understand why Eagles fans might want him as a starter for that simple fact. The Eagles were left with taking the younger, much more talented QB vs. a journeyman who may have just caught wind in a bottle during that run. In my opinion, they made the right decision.

In our case, I don't really see much benefit to getting rid of Cam unless he is just unable to get healthy at all. And keeping him does not mean we can't go and sign a veteran backup, or even draft a young QB to potentially groom as a starter. I do believe with Hurney around the front office, we are more likely to keep Cam around. Now we just have to see who else is added and what their impact on the decision is.

 

We agree in all areas of your statement.

[steven8989]

1 minute ago, mjligon said:

Lol don’t lump Scot in with those two. He just latches on to anything they speculate on and serves it up as argumentative fact.

there have been several instances where they have been dead wrong about “insider” information.

 

If you can't take anything from the quotes coming from Tepper and Rivera not saying he is our qb if healthy then you don't really need to post anything. It's pretty clear what they are trying to say, and Cam is not going to come out and say oh they going to get rid of me because I'm hurt.

[therealmjl]

2 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

If you can't take anything from the quotes coming from Tepper and Rivera not saying he is our qb if healthy then you don't really need to post anything. It's pretty clear what they are trying to say, and Cam is not going to come out and say oh they going to get rid of me because I'm hurt.

Why the hell would Rivera say that Cam is our quarterback if healthy? What does that have to do with anything? He has nothing to do with us.

[micnificent28]

2 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

If you can't take anything from the quotes coming from Tepper and Rivera not saying he is our qb if healthy then you don't really need to post anything. It's pretty clear what they are trying to say, and Cam is not going to come out and say oh they going to get rid of me because I'm hurt.

Because they and you are dismissing what they are saying from their own mouths as not being true, but want to read between the lines in other statements. If Tepper says he Hope's Cam is healthy and is 100% and an all time great, you say nah hes not committing. Cam says he wants to be here and will get better for Panther fans you say nah hes suppose to say that. Cam says they will have to force me out, you say what else is he suppose to say.

Person speculates* Cam will be traded and you word for word eat that up. You preach it as gospel. These insider sources you believe they have are basically Person or as Scot said some guy in all-pro "but wont mention any names". The funk kind of info does that person have that Schefter or any other big time source doesn't have. 

[therealmjl]

3 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Because they and you are dismissing what they are saying from their own mouths as not being true, but want to read between the lines in other statements. If Tepper says he Hope's Cam is healthy and is 100% and an all time great, you say nah hes not committing. Cam says he wants to be here and will get better for Panther fans you say nah hes suppose to say that. Cam says they will have to force me out, you say what else is he suppose to say.

Person speculates* Cam will be traded and you word for word eat that up. You preach it as gospel. These insider sources you believe they have are basically Person or as Scot said some guy in all-pro "but wont mention any names". The funk kind of info does that person have that Schefter or any other big time source doesn't have. 

thank you

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