"In order for me to leave, they got to get rid of me." - Cam

[rippadonn]

8 hours ago, bobowilson said:

I'm confused

Media told me Cam was a self centered diva who was wanted to build a fashion brand in LA, New York, or Chicago, and didn't care about football or anyone but him self

 

You're on fire bibowilson. One of my favorite new posters.

Keep Pounding!

Media made up the Cam persona and stuck to it, totally ignorant of the person Charlotte sees.

LOYALTY. Why do they hate on perhaps the greatest Panther ever who WANTS to stay in lil' ol' Charlotte.

[Cookie Lyon]

8 hours ago, TheRed said:

Seems like every thread about Cam's future with the team is always derailed by Scot trying to dictate the conversation with the same take over and over just reworded differently.

This

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

Wentz is currently playing, so not really comparable, especially because there were fans suggesting the Eagles keep Foles over him last offseason.  If Wentz is unable to finish the season, we'll see what happens.  But he has also played quite a few less seasons/has seen less wear and tear than Cam.

Plus, let's remember that Cam hasn't really been fully healthy since 2015.  He played through injuries, and has now had multiple surgeries/procedures on two different parts of his body.  It isn't directly comparable to Wentz.

I think it's comparable because the two are so much alike. Both physical throwers who move the ball as well with their legs. Wentz went down the previous two season just like cam did and they had a much better options with Foles than we did with our Allen Grier conundrum. They WON a super bowl with Foles.

So they had to consider keeping him who was a second rounder they drafted over the guy who hadn't finished a season. They went with the guy who had more potential. They had no reason to gamble on Wentz the way the did. Wentz had shown MVP level potential just like Cam. The front office made the right call and not going with a flash in the pan.

This Cam hasn't finished a season since 2015 crap is really nonsense. It's not like the shoulder wasn't suppose to be a as long a injury as it was. Took luck about the same amount of time. The foot was a random bad luck thing that could have been anybody.. he isnt any more fragile than he always was. Before the should he was superman and one of the most injury resistant players in the league. Flipping his truck and going out the same sunday to ball out.

Believing he is suddenly brittle is foolish. Yes it's a gamble, he could get hurt again but so could everyone else. What we do know is he has elite talent to transcend the game and lift this team from what we see now to playoff caliber. Any other options we have to be unsure about and is a bigger what if. If you want to date insurance policies then go ahead. But u dont ship off a proven entity just because he might get hurt without a better option.

[heyzeus]

Cam Newton is the best QB the Panthers have ever had, a number one overall draft pick, 2 time Super Bowler and former NFL MVP.

Two words for anyone who believes you get rid of a player like Cam lightly: Sam Bradford

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I think it's comparable because the two are so much alike. Both physical throwers who move the ball as well with their legs. Wentz went down the previous two season just like cam did and they had a much better options with Foles than we did with our Allen Grier conundrum. They WON a super bowl with Foles.

So they had to consider keeping him who was a second rounder they drafted over the guy who hadn't finished a season. They went with the guy who had more potential. They had no reason to gamble on Wentz the way the did. Wentz had shown MVP level potential just like Cam. The front office made the right call and not going with a flash in the pan.

This Cam hasn't finished a season since 2015 crap is really nonsense. It's not like the shoulder wasn't suppose to be a as long a injury as it was. Took luck about the same amount of time. The foot was a random bad luck thing that could have been anybody.. he isnt any more fragile than he always was. Before the should he was superman and one of the most injury resistant players in the league. Flipping his truck and going out the same sunday to ball out.

Believing he is suddenly brittle is foolish. Yes it's a gamble, he could get hurt again but so could everyone else. What we do know is he has elite talent to transcend the game and lift this team from what we see now to playoff caliber. Any other options we have to be unsure about and is a bigger what if. If you want to date insurance policies then go ahead. But u dont ship off a proven entity just because he might get hurt without a better option.

Cam's injuries have been much less severe than Wentz's, TBH. Carson has had a torn ACL/LCL, fractured vertebrae, broken ribs, broken wrist......his wear and tear is extremely high for such a young player.

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, heyzeus said:

Cam Newton is the best QB the Panthers have ever had, a number one overall draft pick, 2 time Super Bowler and former NFL MVP.

Two words for anyone who believes you get rid of a player like Cam lightly: Sam Bradford

He went to a Super Bowl with another team? Cauuuuuse.....we only went to one while he was here.

[mav1234]

2 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I think it's comparable because the two are so much alike. Both physical throwers who move the ball as well with their legs. Wentz went down the previous two season just like cam did and they had a much better options with Foles than we did with our Allen Grier conundrum. They WON a super bowl with Foles.

So they had to consider keeping him who was a second rounder they drafted over the guy who hadn't finished a season. They went with the guy who had more potential. They had no reason to gamble on Wentz the way the did. Wentz had shown MVP level potential just like Cam. The front office made the right call and not going with a flash in the pan.

This Cam hasn't finished a season since 2015 crap is really nonsense. It's not like the shoulder wasn't suppose to be a as long a injury as it was. Took luck about the same amount of time. The foot was a random bad luck thing that could have been anybody.. he isnt any more fragile than he always was. Before the should he was superman and one of the most injury resistant players in the league. Flipping his truck and going out the same sunday to ball out.

Believing he is suddenly brittle is foolish. Yes it's a gamble, he could get hurt again but so could everyone else. What we do know is he has elite talent to transcend the game and lift this team from what we see now to playoff caliber. Any other options we have to be unsure about and is a bigger what if. If you want to date insurance policies then go ahead. But u dont ship off a proven entity just because he might get hurt without a better option.

Wentz's most yards on the ground was what, 300 in a season?  He is hardly a big bodied dude tht will get you tough yards on the ground.  Hell of an arm though.  He is not much like Cam IMO.  Wentz was extended because of his deal -very different situation from what Cam is in right now. Most importantly in it all, Wentz *is still playing this year*.  Cam is not.  Their injury history is vastly different.

And your original point was "nobody was calling for Wentz's head."  Which I assume you mean, "Nobody was saying to go with a different option."  But actually - they were.  The Eagles had a decision to make and they let Foles walk because he was going to get a big contract, IMO.  Wentz is much cheaper and they were willing to ride out his rookie deal.  I also think that if Cam will play on his one year deal, it is likely he is a Panther next year.

Cam did not play well in through all of 2016 or 2017, because he was clearly nursing injuries.  I don't care how many raw seasons Cam missed compared to Wentz, we all know Cam was lackluster in 2016 and 2017 because he was nursing injuries at various points.  That isn't even counting the offseason surgery...

I don't believe Cam is brittle.  I think a career where coaches use you as a battering ram, along with all the other wear and tear of being a QB, and giving it all on every play, has worn Cam down.  That doesn't make him brittle, but it may mean he can't get back to wear he was.  That is what most of us are saying, what Tepper is saying.  He's not comparable to Wentz or anyone else.

16 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Cam's injuries have been much less severe than Wentz's, TBH. Carson has had a torn ACL/LCL, fractured vertebrae, broken ribs, broken wrist......his wear and tear is extremely high for such a young player.

Not all the injuries you listed are in the pros though. But I agree Wentz has serious injury concerns.  Difference is the contract.  Picking up his 5th year option on his rookie year made sense to give more time to see if his injuries were persistent or if he could make it back.  And despite that, plenty of fans wanted to keep Foles.  So the idea that Wentz is a good example of "nobody calling for his head" isn't correct.

[heyzeus]

15 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He went to a Super Bowl with another team? Cauuuuuse.....we only went to one while he was here.

Whoops, I got caught in a loop.

Future me is embarrassed for present me.

[jasonluckydog]

But Kyle was playing behind a crap oline 

[kungfoodude]

13 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Not all the injuries you listed are in the pros though. But I agree Wentz has serious injury concerns.  Difference is the contract.  Picking up his 5th year option on his rookie year made sense to give more time to see if his injuries were persistent or if he could make it back.  And despite that, plenty of fans wanted to keep Foles.  So the idea that Wentz is a good example of "nobody calling for his head" isn't correct.

No but Cam was relatively healthy coming in. He did have that nagging ankle issue that required surgery to repair eventually. 

And I am not disputing the Foles vs. Wentz debate. I certainly remember it among the Eagles fans and the general football community. 

[micnificent28]

14 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Wentz's most yards on the ground was what, 300 in a season?  He is hardly a big bodied dude tht will get you tough yards on the ground.  Hell of an arm though.  He is not much like Cam IMO.  Wentz was extended because of his deal -very different situation from what Cam is in right now. Most importantly in it all, Wentz *is still playing this year*.  Cam is not.  Their injury history is vastly different.

And your original point was "nobody was calling for Wentz's head."  Which I assume you mean, "Nobody was saying to go with a different option."  But actually - they were.  The Eagles had a decision to make and they let Foles walk because he was going to get a big contract, IMO.  Wentz is much cheaper and they were willing to ride out his rookie deal.  I also think that if Cam will play on his one year deal, it is likely he is a Panther next year.

Cam did not play well in through all of 2016 or 2017, because he was clearly nursing injuries.  I don't care how many raw seasons Cam missed compared to Wentz, we all know Cam was lackluster in 2016 and 2017 because he was nursing injuries at various points.  That isn't even counting the offseason surgery...

I don't believe Cam is brittle.  I think a career where coaches use you as a battering ram, along with all the other wear and tear of being a QB, and giving it all on every play, has worn Cam down.  That doesn't make him brittle, but it may mean he can't get back to wear he was.  That is what most of us are saying, what Tepper is saying.  He's not comparable to Wentz or anyone else.

Not all the injuries you listed are in the pros though. But I agree Wentz has serious injury concerns.  Difference is the contract.  Picking up his 5th year option on his rookie year made sense to give more time to see if his injuries were persistent or if he could make it back.  And despite that, plenty of fans wanted to keep Foles.  So the idea that Wentz is a good example of "nobody calling for his head" isn't correct.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/0ap3000000647281/Mayock-Wentz-every-bit-as-athletic-as-Luck-and-Cam 

Well coming out many made the comparison. He is a big dude and extender as you said. I saw that comparison floating around a lot. Now is he running for as many yards no. But he does occasionally extend drives in the same manner as said by Mayock.  2016-2017 seasons were not great but not anything to say move on in another direction over. And last we saw healthy in the start of 2018 he was better than 15 before the watt hit. How much wear and tear is on his body I still dont think we know yet.

Are we staying because some guys fell on his foot he is showing those tackles are adding up? A foot isnt like some part of the body that's been beaten up and shows milage lts a foot you cant add muscle to it to protect it it just is what it is. Anyone could have fell victim to that exact same injury. I dont think I feel any better or worse for Newton after this season. Its jusr bad luck to me.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/0ap3000000647281/Mayock-Wentz-every-bit-as-athletic-as-Luck-and-Cam 

Well coming out many made the comparison. He is a big dude and extender as you said. I saw that comparison floating around a lot. Now is he running for as many yards no. But he does occasionally extend drives in the same manner as said by Mayock.  2016-2017 seasons were not great but not anything to say move on in another direction over. And last we saw healthy in the start of 2018 he was better than 15 before the watt hit. How much wear and tear is on his body I still dont think we know yet.

Are we staying because some guys fell on his foot he is showing those tackles are adding up? A foot isnt like some part of the body that's been beaten up and shows milage lts a foot you cant add muscle to it to protect it it just is what it is. Anyone could have fell victim to that exact same injury. I dont think I feel any better or worse for Newton after this season. Its jusr bad luck to me.

Wentz is definitely a plus athlete as a QB, but Mayock was smoking rocks saying he's as athletic as Cam.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/carson-wentz?id=2555259

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/cam-newton?id=2495455

[micnificent28]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

No but Cam was relatively healthy coming in. He did have that nagging ankle issue that required surgery to repair eventually. 

And I am not disputing the Foles vs. Wentz debate. I certainly remember it among the Eagles fans and the general football community. 

It was a debate. As it should have been. But I dont think it was as overwhelmingly onesided  as with Cam. You hardly hear anyone say stick with Cam as with Wentz vs Foles. The front office went with upside and potential. They could have written Wentz off as injury prone and moved on with a proven hotter commodity.

I think our front office would do well to do its do diligence and not overreact to this foot injury and take it as a blessing and realize it gave the shoulder another season to heal. Could be a blessing in disguise.

[micnificent28]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Wentz is definitely a plus athlete as a QB, but Mayock was smoking rocks saying he's as athletic as Cam.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/carson-wentz?id=2555259

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/cam-newton?id=2495455

I'm not disagreeing with you there lol. I'm just saying the comparisons were out there...