"In order for me to leave, they got to get rid of me." - Cam

[Billy Love]

That’s my guy right there. That’s why I love Cam. If Cam is healthy next year. He will inflict pain on the opposition. He best do it in a Panther uniform.

[Snake]

15 minutes ago, (ATL'ien)CamNewton said:

Tepepr stating that there should be no speculation on Cam one way or the other is the least of reasons why Cam isn't leaving .. take that Tepper statement out of the question and it still makes 0% sense for Cam not to be here in 2020

Unless he demands a fully guaranteed contract. 

[bigdog10]

This is going to be a fun thread to revisit in the spring. 
 

So much certainty and wild speculation on both sides.

 

[Snake]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not sure there's any logic to any of this. It just seems that at this point most people have made up their minds on what either they want to happen or what they think will happen and nothing is gonna change their minds either way.

Would you pay Cam a fully guaranteed extension? I think we are all good with him playing on his current deal but what if he's not? Demanding a release and demanding a contract is two different things. 

[SBiii]

I'm all for any alternative thesis or contrarian view --- as long as they can be supported with logic and details.

I have seen no logical thesis put forth that supports the case for Cam Newton playing for another NFL team, ever.

To his credit @Jeremy Igo just went on record saying the foot & shoulder are the critical factors that may keep Cam from suiting up for the Panthers again -- still TBD on whether or not he believes QB1 is out of the league or another team is gambling on him. 

In theory that is a plausible/possible scenario.

If Tepper does get to the point where is going to cut ties with Cam due to foot & shoulder disease this will be known around the league and he won't be able to find a team willing to trade with him --- which means it would have to be a cut.

In that scenario Cam loses all leverage and any deal he might get offered at that point would be very weak.

Getting healthy and playing for $21 million next season is looking pretty darn attractive to Cam and his people right about now

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not sure there's any logic to any of this. It just seems that at this point most people have made up their minds on what either they want to happen or what they think will happen and nothing is gonna change their minds either way.

Emotion doesn't help, for sure. But as our former coach once said, "sh-t happens".

Who was more of a Panther to the core of his being than Thomas Davis? And he made clear to everyone that he wanted to stay. Money was no issue. Heck, even once said that he'd never play for another team, as I recall.

But again, it's the real world. What people want and what they get are very often different things.

Yeah it sucks, but it's not changing anytime soon.

[Snake]

2 minutes ago, bull123 said:

A huge impression 

if we get offered 1st rounder(s) in a trade scenario....

I'm not sure a first round would do it since our back ups have looked worse. 

[Jaxel]

I hope Cam will be here. But I just don't see it. It's not just Jeremy an Mr. Scot whispering this stuff. It's literally coming from most of the Panthers insiders, and a lot of media. I know we don't like to trust national medis...  but when everyone and their sources are mimicking it, it has to set off some red flags no?

[Snake]

1 minute ago, SBiii said:

I'm all for any alternative thesis or contrarian view --- as long as they can be supported with logic and details.

I have seen no logical thesis put forth that supports the case for Cam Newton playing for another NFL team, ever.

To his credit @Jeremy Igo just went on record saying the foot & shoulder are the critical factors that may keep Cam from suiting up for the Panthers again -- still TBD on whether or not he believes QB1 is out of the league or another team is gambling on him. 

In theory that is a plausible/possible scenario.

If Tepper does get to the point where is going to cut ties with Cam due to foot & shoulder disease this will be known around the league and he won't be able to find a team willing to trade with him --- which means it would have to be a cut.

In that scenario Cam loses all leverage and any deal he might get offered at that point would be very weak.

Getting healthy and playing for $21 million next season is looking pretty darn attractive to Cam and his people right about now

Don't understand estimate Greed. I have before. 

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Snake said:

I'm not sure a first round would do it since our back ups have looked worse. 

Depends on who is doing the offering, and just how far away Tepper thinks the winning is.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Snake said:

Would you pay Cam a fully guaranteed extension? I think we are all good with him playing on his current deal but what if he's not? Demanding a release and demanding a contract is two different things. 

No, I wouldn't.

[Butterflyj30]

I really hope he stays!! 

[SBiii]

8 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

It will be a mess for sure. Cam may not be able to participate in OTAs or mini camp.

And then do you play him in the preseason? Yes?no? If not you want to start a guy that hasn't played football in nearly a year?

Cam would need to be prepared to play in everything.  No pussyfooting around, needs to take all the snaps and play in at least 3 pre-season games.

[Davidson Deac II]

33 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

If Cam is here , it is the same as last off-season. Cautious optimism he can play for an extended period. 

 

Panthers still will need to bring in a legitimate backup that can win games like the Saints did. Hurney completely failed at that last year.

I won't pretend that Allen has played well in the last 7 games or so, but in fairness, the Saints surrounded their backup with a better team.  When the Saints played Seattle, their first two scores were defensive scores, while their offense didn't look any better than ours did in the first half against Seattle.  Seattle had two offensive td's against the Saints total, while our defense gave up three on the first three Seattle possessions.  

Backup qb's only win games consistently if they have help from their defense and special teams.  We could have had a very good backup, and we would still struggle to win with the worst rushing defense in the league.  

 

Of course, it could be that Hurney deserves a lot of the blame for the defense being so bad.