Draft Position Updates 12/15: #10

[Basbear]

@panthers55 you still believe in winning these late out-of-playoffs games?

 

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, Basbear said:

@panthers55 you still believe in winning these late out-of-playoffs games?

 

Yeah  because I like watching winning football rather than losing football. And getting Burns last year just proved that losing a few draft slots really makes no difference in picking up a difference maker. So to me I would rather win the last 2 than purposefully tank for better draft position. That seems so counter to everything I learned as a player and coach growing up. I know people do it, I just don't think much of them.

[Basbear]

Just now, panthers55 said:

Yeah  because I like watching winning football rather than losing football. And getting Burns last year just proved that losing a few draft slots really makes no difference in picking up a difference maker. So to me I would rather win the last 2 than purposefully tank for better draft position. That seems so counter to everyrhing I learned as a player and coach growing up. I know people do it, I just don't think much of them.

I understand the player part, but Im a fan and once the playoff chances are done

FYI- Last season if the panthers would have lost that meaningless saints game, there was no need to trade up for Little. Thus saving a mid-3rd in the process. 

[panthers55]

And while I am at it, the whole idea that proclaiming that we need to lose  for better draft position makes you knowledgeable or savvy is ridiculous in my mind. GMs might care about draft position, I don't. As a fan I want to us to win every game. Of course.  I don't draft players or have a say so why would I worry about draft position? Let Hurney and Tepper worry about that. As long as we get an impactful player then who cares if it is at 9 or 12 or 15.   7-9 finishing up with 2 wins for Grier makes me infinitely happier that 5-11 and free falling 8 straight losses.

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, Basbear said:

I understand the player part, but Im a fan and once the playoff chances are done

FYI- Last season if the panthers would have lost that meaningless saints game, there was no need to trade up for Little. Thus saving a mid-3rd in the process. 

And I thought folks felt that Little was a reach and would have been there if we stayed pat. 

[stirs]

Was the Saints finale win last year a "moral" victory knowing that they sat their starters?

[Basbear]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

And I thought folks felt that Little was a reach and would have been there if we stayed pat. 

Thats debate-able and we will never know if he would have lasted. Still that meaningless win cost the Panthers a late 2nd in value. That is a fact.  

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, stirs said:

Was the Saints finale win last year a "moral" victory knowing that they sat their starters?

I thought a moral victory was when you lost but did better than expected. If I remember correctly, we spanked that ass in their house and we didn't have Cam or McCaffrey or Kueckly. Moral victory my ass. 

[panthers55]

6 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Thats debate-able and we will never know if he would have lasted. Still that meaningless win cost the Panthers a late 2nd in value. That is a fact.  

No it didn't cost anything but a few draft positions in rounds where we had a pick.. What Hurney decided to do in moving up could have happened either way. The fact is we picked a few slots behind where we would if we had lost. That is the only fact. The rest is speculation that is almost a year old. Apparently you have a problem letting things go and moving on.

[Jared Patterson]

To me it matters to have a higher pick in the mid rounds, don't just look at the first. Having the 8th pick in the fourth round is much better than the 16th.

[Basbear]

13 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

No it didn't cost anything but a few draft positions in rounds where we had a pick.. What Hurney decided to do in moving up could have happened either way. The fact is we picked a few slots behind where we would if we had lost. That is the only fact. The rest is speculation that is almost a year old. Apparently you have a problem letting things go and moving on.

On average picking earlier yields better players, another fact. If a team wants to move up form the 30s, #9 will bring more value than #16 another fact. No problem here, you are free to think winning is correct. I thought with this team in the gutter, winning these last two games would help you to understand its faults. 

[stirs]

23 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I thought a moral victory was when you lost but did better than expected. If I remember correctly, we spanked that ass in their house and we didn't have Cam or McCaffrey or Kueckly. Moral victory my ass. 

As a coach, how do you fire your team up over spanking the ass of 2nd string players?  Are they that gullible?  And how did the ass spanking transfer into good this season?

[Jared Patterson]

According to spotrac we have 33 million dollars in cap space after the Shaq Thompson signing. Also we will likely cut Gano, Moncrief and Davis to free up some more. We should easily be able to afford to resign McCoy and Bradberry correct?

[stirs]

Why does the title say #10?

Wishful thinking?

Lose out, we pick from 7-11.  Others will have to win for us to get to 10 or SOS's will need to change