What you have heard, and what you haven't heard .

[Jaxel]

If it somehow turns into Joe Burrow or Lawrence, I'll he excited.

[WoahW]

3 minutes ago, ellis said:

I’m not so concerned about what he thinks he should pursue. And I’m not trying to sound like an ass, but he is under contract with the Carolina Panthers. What he can fetch from another team doesn’t mean much to me. I’m looking at what the Panthers can fetch in return for him. And if Tepper is not convinced that he’s well enough physically to be renewed, I would imagine most teams out there would be keenly aware of that reluctance. Which, at least in my view, would drive Cam’s trade value down. 

Ding ding ding. People keep trying to say Carolina will say he can’t get healthy and somehow other teams will line up with amazing trade packages, that’s not how it works. Business says a contract is in place for a year and Tepper holds all the cards 

[ellis]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It may not mean much to you, but I'm pretty sure it means an awful lot to him.

And if Newton ultimately decides there's no way he's playing on that one year deal (which he genuinely could) it may come to a point of getting something over nothing.

Well, that’s the thing. Everybody wants to say it’s a business, part of the business is examining what’s best for the organization. The player does assume the risk. And you would hate to see something bad happen under a one-year deal. But, it would be the most beneficial way to go from the team’s perspective. So, there’s a whole lot of dynamics involved. 

It pretty much comes down to this: if the extension happens, then we pretty much know there’s some confidence about his ability to play at a high-level again. If the extension does not happen, that’s a pretty good indicator that the team, through their research, sees too much risk and a low margin of potential success. 

Boy, if that stupid foot injury never happened, we’d have a clearer picture on things. That damn New England turf.

[Mr. Scot]

On the question of what we could get in return, I would also point out this:

Midseason when Newton was still in rehab, it was reported that at least ten teams were willing to trade for him.

What's he done since then?

No new injury issues have come to light. In fact, by the time free agency rolls around, Newton will have been given the better part of a year to do nothing but heal up. Plus he had the surgery to fix the foot issue, as was announced to anyone who cared to listen.

So what reason would there be for those teams (or others) to be less willing to talk trade now than they were then?

[JawnyBlaze]

This OP? Rational for the most part. Which is a hard left turn from the previous drivel that was speculating Cam was gone and passing it off as “insider info”. No one is going to argue that anything is possible, it’s possible he’s gone, it’s possible he stays. No one knows. The majority of posts around here have been inane speculation that he’s gone based on the words of morons like Joe Person at best and no one at all in many cases. That bullshit is what has gotten blowback and grief. Not saying it’s possible Cam will be gone. Saying he will be gone.  

[DubE_4MR]

I think a lot of the media leaks are the result of posturing and public relations from both sides. I know Ian Rapoport is in contact with Cam's agent Bus Cook because I've seen him break news releases from Gus in the past. Agents are usually one of the  "anonymous sources" that break news leaks. 

Ultimately it comes down to what will be the best situation for both sides. And I don't think that can be answered in 3 months. That's why I think the Panthers sign Cam to a 1 year extension as a compromise. That way they can have extra time to evaluate and he won't have to assume all of the risk of playing on a lame duck deal with no guaranteed money. 

Tepper has stressed patience so I expect him to be patient in deciding who he wants his QB to be for the next 3-5 years.

 

 

[1of10Charnatives]

3 minutes ago, ellis said:

Well, that’s the thing. Everybody wants to say it’s a business, part of the business is examining what’s best for the organization. The player does assume the risk. And you would hate to see something bad happen under a one-year deal. But, it would be the most beneficial way to go from the team’s perspective. So, there’s a whole lot of dynamics involved. 

It pretty much comes down to this: if the extension happens, then we pretty much know there’s some confidence about his ability to play at a high-level again. If the extension does not happen, that’s a pretty good indicator that the team, through their research, sees too much risk and a low margin of potential success. 

Boy, if that stupid foot injury never happened, we’d have a clearer picture on things. That damn New England turf.

Well said. 

Dont you just know Bellicheck rigged the turf somehow?

 

unrelated: I’ll be afk for a bit, gotta run to the store, out of tinfoil for the hat. You know you have to refresh weekly with a new layer right?

[raz]

2 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Well said. 

Dont you just know Bellicheck rigged the turf somehow?

 

unrelated: I’ll be afk for a bit, gotta run to the store, out of tinfoil for the hat. You know you have to refresh weekly with a new layer right?

gotta get the heavy duty, and not generic heavy duty.  gotta go with reynolds wrap heavy duty otherwise the elf waves can get thru

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, ellis said:

Well, that’s the thing. Everybody wants to say it’s a business, part of the business is examining what’s best for the organization. The player does assume the risk. And you would hate to see something bad happen under a one-year deal. But, it would be the most beneficial way to go from the team’s perspective. So, there’s a whole lot of dynamics involved. 

It pretty much comes down to this: if the extension happens, then we pretty much know there’s some confidence about his ability to play at a high-level again. If the extension does not happen, that’s a pretty good indicator that the team, through their research, sees too much risk and a low margin of potential success. 

Boy, if that stupid foot injury never happened, we’d have a clearer picture on things. That damn New England turf.

I'll grant an extension is possible, but I have a really hard time imagining it.

Rodrigue has reported that Tepper was iffy on the idea of extending Newton at the time he bought the team. The last two years haven't exactly done a lot to bolster that idea.

[billionairemonk]

[Raleigh PF]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'll grant an extension is possible, but I have a really hard time imagining it.

Rodrigue has reported that Tepper was iffy on the idea of extending Newton at the time he bought the team. The last two years haven't exactly done a lot to bolster that idea.

I believe I read somewhere that Tepper understands the cost of a quality QB1 and knows that $19M is a bit of a bargain. IF he believes Cam is healthy and can stay that way, Cam could be a bargain for the next few years. Maybe. 

I think draft position will determine a lot, as well. Drafting 9-12 doesn't necessarily provide confidence that Burrow or Tua will be available. Hard to trade away Cam if your fallback option is a Kyle Allen or an untested Will Grier. If trading Cam brings them the draft position necessary to obtain one of these two, then I could see that possibility.

[kungfoodude]

I do get annoyed with how many people have been so definitive about this issue for the better part of the season. I am pretty sure that neither Cam nor David Tepper knows if he will be a Panther next year at this point. 

The level of uncertainty has increased since the coach firing and announcement of the FO overhaul, not decreased. 

We will know what happens when it comes closer to the time for that decision to actually be made. Everything up to this point has just been idle speculation or reports of casual discussions from either camp. 

[SmartyHurney]

OP predicted that Joe Burrow would slide to the panthers. That should say it all to anyone that pays attention to the NFL.

[micnificent28]

2 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

"Cam is our guy. We are committed to him and will build around him."

Or perhaps...

"Cam is the starting QB of the Carolina Panthers, period."

These were the sentiments of the past 8 off seasons. There has never been a single hint of waivering on Cam, until now.

The latest statement of "Yes we prefer a healthy Cam Newton to start but remains open to trade offers" falls well short of the statements above. It is the first time in Cam's career that it has ever been said. Cam hasn't been fully healthy at the start of the season in quite a while, yet he has always been the unquestioned starter, point blank. 

Like it or not, what we are hearing now is a deviation from what has been the norm in the franchise's stance on Cam, historically. These nuances in language are significant. A "healthy" qualifier. Open to trade? That's new. 

Will Cam be a Panther in 2020? Possibly

Will he be traded? Possibly

Could he fail a physical? Possibly

Could he hold out? Possibly

This is the entire point. Cam's circumstances in Carolina are a complete unknown for the first time in his entire career. There are so many variables at play that absolutely nothing would surprise me. To pretend otherwise is just wishful thinking.

 

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This thread will be full of irrational and emotional hatred to anyone that says cam may not be here next year.

 

 

The point your trying to make seems like a well duh and not in the favor of the point your trying to make. "for the first time ever Cam isnt being endorsed as the franchise qb". Well duh.. coming off these injuries not finishing the season twice add in being 30 plus this shoulder injuries nature why would they lock in to that? Not to mention that on top of a new owner and head coach with no ties to him. Well duh...

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence though. You cant use the lack of commitment to push the narrative he is being pushed out and all but gone. Or that the team is set on moving on. It could be they are keeping all options on the table as they should in light of what I spoke on earlier. However that doesn't mean barring some news we dont know about they aren't considering keeping him. Could he be wearing thin on second chances? Absolutely. 

That doesn't mean we are moving on. What your leaving off and will write off is,that tepper on two separate occasions months ago and recently said he has spoken to Newton and talks were positive and on good terms. Like they are in a good place. A angry disgruntled player out the door wouldn't be all happy about it I assume. Unless a team is willing to give up a first or a Jalen ramsey type bounty a second round pick doesn't get a trade done.

In light of the kyle Allen show the sentiment around the league has been. Maybe we should rethink this trade cam thing, 19 million isnt that bad. It's a deal actually. No team is gonna surrender the return on the investment for Newton that it would take to move him. Your most likely stuck with him at least for a year till teams can see what he can do and is he healthy. But keep this fire and brimstone approach and the idea we fall into burrow which if we could land I'm all for moving on. But that is extremely unlikely.