Kyle Allen. Despite being written off already, I still see potential there.

[sml1950]

If all QBs were judged solely by their rookie season,  a good number would be on the street instead of the HOF.  This is not to say that Allen has this kind of potential, but his stats should not be discounted.  When he has a clean pocket he’s pretty damn good.  Take Manning and Aikman for example.  They were 3-13 and 0-11 with a 57 and 53% completion and 26/28 and 9/18 TD/INT.  Allen is 5-6 with 62% and16/12.  So he’s having a better year than either while being sacked (44) twice as much as Manning and three times Aikman.  Give him an off season to get stronger, add some weight and let the action slow down and you never know what he may become .  That’s not to say that I’d take him over a healthy Cam, but he’s an option.

[panthers55]

17 minutes ago, sml1950 said:

If all QBs were judged solely by their rookie season,  a good number would be on the street instead of the HOF.  This is not to say that Allen has this kind of potential, but his stats should not be discounted.  When he has a clean pocket he’s pretty damn good.  Take Manning and Aikman for example.  They were 3-13 and 0-11 with a 57 and 53% completion and 26/28 and 9/18 TD/INT.  Allen is 5-6 with 62% and16/12.  So he’s having a better year than either while being sacked (44) twice as much as Manning and three times Aikman.  Give him an off season to get stronger, add some weight and let the action slow down and you never know what he may become .  That’s not to say that I’d take him over a healthy Cam, but he’s an option.

This. I want Cam starting with Allen and Grier competing for the backup. Starting rookies and inexperienced vets is always a formula for trouble. For every one that succeeds there are triple that who struggle and become turnover machines.

For that matter draft a first rounder in the event Cam isn't healthy. The more the merrier. We have to get this right next year.

[SBiii]

Kid has a bright future in The League.

The o-line has been epically bad....bad at a level hitherto unknown to the people of this area but destined to take the place of the mudshark in your mythology....I mean awful.

Given the complete lack of protection combined with where he is in his career he's done very well.

I'm not saying Kyle is going to become a superstar or even a full-time starter but he has secured a long-term future in the NFL. 

Josh McCown has knocked down $51,668,000 over the years...

....that's a damn good living.

[firefox1234]

14 hours ago, SBiii said:

Kid has a bright future in The League.

The o-line has been epically bad....bad at a level hitherto unknown to the people of this area but destined to take the place of the mudshark in your mythology....I mean awful.

Given the complete lack of protection combined with where he is in his career he's done very well.

I'm not saying Kyle is going to become a superstar or even a full-time starter but he has secured a long-term future in the NFL. 

Josh McCown has knocked down $51,668,000 over the years...

....that's a damn good living.

Let's hope Kyle sees that money

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

for another team.

[TheRed]

15 hours ago, SBiii said:

Kid has a bright future in The League.

The o-line has been epically bad....bad at a level hitherto unknown to the people of this area but destined to take the place of the mudshark in your mythology....I mean awful.

Given the complete lack of protection combined with where he is in his career he's done very well.

Some of ya'll are smoking some good poo.

[djp14]

For me, it's still too early to know what KA's ceiling is .... or his floor. 

Which is why the Panthers shouldn't be making any long term decisions based on his play. If TPTB decide that a healthy Cam isn't gonna happen, they need to bring in another guy. Either via the draft or free agency. You can't cut bait on Cam, and then tell the fanbase we're moving ahead with Allen & Grier. 

[rayzor]

Such a sad conversation that reminds me of trying to make the most of the poo we were offered up at QB in '09 and '10.

I either want a healthy Cam or someone spectacular because I don't want to have to try to keep making the most of an average joe QB situation.

We don't need a game manager. We need a full blown stud that can carry this team. The closest Allen or even Grier is going to get to it is the hopes and dreams of guys in here hoping that he/they can one day be .....ok.

I don't want ok. I want great.

[WOW!!]

4 hours ago, rayzor said:

Such a sad conversation that reminds me of trying to make the most of the poo we were offered up at QB in '09 and '10.

I either want a healthy Cam or someone spectacular because I don't want to have to try to keep making the most of an average joe QB situation.

We don't need a game manager. We need a full blown stud that can carry this team. The closest Allen or even Grier is going to get to it is the hopes and dreams of guys in here hoping that he/they can one day be .....ok.

I don't want ok. I want great.

This^^^

With avg. Qb play we would constantly have to surrender money for a surrounding cast.. With a Great QB he doesn't need the perfect surrounding cast to succeed..

[rayzor]

1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

This^^^

With avg. Qb play we would constantly have to surrender money for a surrounding cast.. With a Great QB he doesn't need the perfect surrounding cast to succeed..

The problem we have had for years is that we start liking a guy (the idea of a guy, personality, etc.) and then we just hope he's ok enough that we can justify giving him a spot on the team somewhere. 

this has really been a cultural thing with the team....from the ownership to the coaching staff and on down to the fans.

people didn't like cam for reasons i'm not going to get into or speculate. it didn't matter if he was the most lethal player in the league, he didn't act like a "pro" should (whatever the hell that means). now we've got this relatively clean cut kid that is a very likeable fellow (not that cam wasn't, despite the rep he had) that people want to be more than he is.

crap....the whole reason grier was drafted was because they liked the kid. it wasn't because he was any kind of dynamic QB or anything. he interviewed well. that's it. I know people are going to argue that one, but whatever. people liked allen and they want him to be more than what he is. they want that so bad that they are willing to settle for just an ok QB with a modicum of potential rather than take the necessary risk needed to get someone great who will take this team to the top the way cam almost did (and can again if he's healthy).

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

13 hours ago, rayzor said:

Such a sad conversation that reminds me of trying to make the most of the poo we were offered up at QB in '09 and '10.

I either want a healthy Cam or someone spectacular because I don't want to have to try to keep making the most of an average joe QB situation.

We don't need a game manager. We need a full blown stud that can carry this team. The closest Allen or even Grier is going to get to it is the hopes and dreams of guys in here hoping that he/they can one day be .....ok.

I don't want ok. I want great.

Yeah a sizable chunk of the fanbase fetishizes "underdog" stories.  I mean yeah it's pretty neat when the overlooked, undersized small school kid with a big dream gets his shot and shows out.  Sadly though real life isn't a made for TV movie and it just doesn't happen that often.

My post at the top of the fourth page is actually a PantherFanForLife rant about Matt Moore from the dismal 2010 season that I just did a find/replace on with Kyle Allen's name.  It's amazing how easily translatable it is.

[Carl Spackler]

5 hours ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

Yeah a sizable chunk of the fanbase fetishizes "underdog" stories.  I mean yeah it's pretty neat when the overlooked, undersized small school kid with a big dream gets his shot and shows out.  Sadly though real life isn't a made for TV movie and it just doesn't happen that often.

My post at the top of the fourth page is actually a PantherFanForLife rant about Matt Moore from the dismal 2010 season that I just did a find/replace on with Kyle Allen's name.  It's amazing how easily translatable it is.

I knew I’d seen that somewhere before 

- me both when I read that post and when Allen throws an interception 

[Wolfpredator]

I see him having a stelar career as a solid backup for us or another team.  Dude has no pocket awareness ( he may improve that ), runs away when he has a clean pocket constantly and has a TERRIBLE deep ball.  Pretty decent with short and medium accuracy.  Good enough to fill in for your starter but not good enough to make it as a starter IMHO.  

[saX man]

I was excited earlier this season but he's like Mullens was for the 49ers.  Maybe a tad worse. 

Hell, maybe we should target Mullens.

[KaseKlosed]

On 12/11/2019 at 1:44 PM, PanthersNC1984 said:

So it seems a majority of us has already written off Allen as just yet another footnote QB for the Panthers like Matt Moore or Jimmy Clausen, I’m not so sure I’m ready to throw in the towel myself though. Yes, he has looked inconsistent and has had some piss poor games. But there is one key thing I still think Allen has in spades.. Intangibles. Stuff you won’t see on film or can see in stat lines. He just seems to pass the eye test, he is calm under pressure, the work ethic seems to be there, he doesn’t seem to let bad plays weigh him down, he sees the field well most of the time and despite a few fixable things here or there he seems to learn from his mistakes and learn.

Besides all this I go back and look at his game against a good Houston team in a hostile environment and his game against the Saints this year in the dome, even the AZ game where he didn’t crack despite his first start this year in front of loved ones and friends. The bottom line is this, most of us have written off Allen as just another forgotten QB but I am very intrigued to see what he can do with a whole off season with a new offensive minded head coach and one year wiser with all the experience he has gained this year. Keep in mind as well he is just 23 years old, only two years removed from being able to drink legally for god Saale. 

Man stfu