For Igo and everyone else putting Cam on another team next season

[MHS831]

You are the owner of a team that is probably headed into a rebuilding mode.  You are asked every day about a player currently on the roster.

Your responses are very limited. 

In other words he leaves himself "outs."  Of course we do not want an unhealthy QB and the future he mentions is "next season".  However, he could have said, "Cam is the quarterback of the Panthers." period. 

Let's say the plan is to draft a QB.  Why would he give that away mow?  If you don't get your QB, you go with Cam for a season--but not if you bashed him in Pressers before the draft.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

You are the owner of a team that is probably headed into a rebuilding mode.  You are asked every day about a player currently on the roster.

Your responses are very limited. 

In other words he leaves himself "outs."  Of course we do not want an unhealthy QB and the future he mentions is "next season".  However, he could have said, "Cam is the quarterback of the Panthers." period. 

Let's say the plan is to draft a QB.  Why would he give that away mow?  If you don't get your QB, you go with Cam for a season--but not if you bashed him in Pressers before the draft.

Correct.

If you go back and look ay previously traded players, you'll generally find comments about how the team was perfectly happy with them and/or really wanted to keep them being made prior to their ultimately being traded.

You've gotta be careful about what you say.

[DubE_4MR]

I think Cam signs a one year extension with Carolina to reduce his risk of playing on a lame duck contract. That gives the Panthers more time to do their evaluation and allows Cam an opportunity to prove himself and get a piece of this QB market. That seems to be the best compromise for both sides. 

Likely we will be picking 8-12th so I don't see the Panthers getting Joe Burrow. Tua may be there but there's risks with that as well. The free agent route includes somebody like Andy Dalton who will be a larger cap hit than Cam. 

Tepper has stressed patience in building this team into a winner so I expect him to be patient with the decision on who he wants his QB to be for the next 3-5 years. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, DubE_4MR said:

I think Cam signs a one year extension with Carolina to reduce his risk of playing on a lame duck contract. That gives the Panthers more time to do their evaluation and allows Cam an opportunity to prove himself and get a piece of this QB market. That seems to be the best compromise for both sides. 

Likely we will be picking 8-12th so I don't see the Panthers getting Joe Burrow. Tua may be there but there's risks with that as well. The free agent route includes somebody like Andy Dalton who will be a larger cap hit than Cam. 

Tepper has stressed patience in building this team into a winner so I expect him to be patient with the decision on who he wants his QB to be for the next 3-5 years. 

Voth has floated that option before. It's possible.

Still puts Newton in the position of being the one to take all the risk though. Hard to say whether or not his people would accept that.

[DubE_4MR]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Voth has floated that option before. It's possible.

Still puts Newton in the position of being the one to take all the risk though. Hard to say whether or not his people would accept that.

Cam has to take some risk. What if he commits to a 4 year $25m/per year deal and ends up making a full recovery? Now he's a $35m QB playing on a below market deal for basically the balance of his career. I think a short term 1 year deal is a great compromise for both sides.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, DubE_4MR said:

Cam has to take some risk. What if he commits to a 4 year $25m/per year deal and ends up making a full recovery? Now he's a $35m QB playing on a below market deal for basically the balance of his career. I think a short term 1 year deal is a great compromise for both sides.

I could agree, but I've never been especially impressed by the ability of either agents or NFL contract negotiators to be reasonable.

[MechaZain]

I believe the plan was always to just wait for Cam to heal. Listen to what the involved parties are actually saying and it's clear that Cam and the team both want the same thing. There's no reason to even worry about this until like March, at the earliest.

Just like with the QB controversy I think the media rushed to the sexiest narrative based on the circumstances. I expect that from the national media because that's all they do, but I'm disappointed in the local media for practically encouraging Cam and the team to part ways. I think this is a combination of being collectively tired of dealing with Cam's woes and the glimpse Kyle gave us into what life could be like after. The media narrative centers on him demanding an extension while the team is in the dark about his health, but remove all the hot takes and thinkpieces and there's nothing to suggest that Cam would or is going to hold the team hostage like everyone is assuming. 

If we start closing in on the draft or camp and he still can't throw a football deep or plant his foot, that's when trading is the best option for everyone. As it stands everybody wants the guy to be healthy and he has more than enough time to get there. Media's acting like the Super Bowl is the trade deadline.

[billionairemonk]

51 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

I believe the plan was always to just wait for Cam to heal. Listen to what the involved parties are actually saying and it's clear that Cam and the team both want the same thing. There's no reason to even worry about this until like March, at the earliest.

Just like with the QB controversy I think the media rushed to the sexiest narrative based on the circumstances. I expect that from the national media because that's all they do, but I'm disappointed in the local media for practically encouraging Cam and the team to part ways. I think this is a combination of being collectively tired of dealing with Cam's woes and the glimpse Kyle gave us into what life could be like after. The media narrative centers on him demanding an extension while the team is in the dark about his health, but remove all the hot takes and thinkpieces and there's nothing to suggest that Cam would or is going to hold the team hostage like everyone is assuming. 

If we start closing in on the draft or camp and he still can't throw a football deep or plant his foot, that's when trading is the best option for everyone. As it stands everybody wants the guy to be healthy and he has more than enough time to get there. Media's acting like the Super Bowl is the trade deadline.

/thread

can we please leave this dead horse alone now?

[Navy_football]

15 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Here's the problem.

You're thinking about the situation as if only the team has options and/or things they want to get out of this.

That's not true.

And assuming that what Newton wants and what the Panthers want are automatically the same thing is a fallacy.

No I get what you're saying. If Cam isn't onboard with either 1)an incentive-laden extension, or 2)playing his last year on a prove-it status, then it's all a moot point. But that's all speculation. If he's sure he's healthy in May/June, then he wouldn't have a problem with either.

And I'm pretty sure he signed his last contract right before the season started in 2015 - and then went full superman on the NFL. A rookie first rounder has a 4 year contract with a 5th year option for the TEAM. He wasn't planning to sit out 2015 on a 5th year option. Why would he sit out 2020 on the final year of his $100M+ contract to the team that drafted him #1 overall? I don't think he would. He understands the dynamics of his injury situation. He understands the team is transforming to a more offensive-driven club. He understands the team tried (but ultimately failed) to improve the o-line. He understands they'll continue to improve the QBs chances to be successful - whoever that is. 

With all those knowns, I'm not sure he'll be so anxious to jump into a bunch on unknowns on a different team.

[SBiii]

13 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

15 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Here's the problem.

You're thinking about the situation as if only the team has options and/or things they want to get out of this.

That's not true.

And assuming that what Newton wants and what the Panthers want are automatically the same thing is a fallacy.

You're right, (assuming healthy) Cam has multiple options...

...2 to be exact.

1. Play for the Panthers.  (what he should do)

2. Hold out.  (likely to end his career)

Which do you think he will choose? 

[Mr. Scot]

Assuming that Newton and the Panthers "want the same thing" is a mistake.

Newton is going to want what's best for him (as well he should). Playing on a one-year prove it deal doesn't fit that criteria.

The Panthers want what's best for them. Extending Newton when they don't know whether he can stay healthy is too much of a gamble.

Those things put them at cross purposes, so oeither one side changes their mind or they're likely headed for a split.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Cam is going to have a 1 year prove it deal regardless of where he goes.  Cam should *want* a 1 year prove it deal at this point.

Pleaying on a 1 year prove it deal 100% fits the criteria of Cam looking out for what is best for him.

[SBiii]

29 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

(i)  Assuming that Newton and the Panthers "want the same thing" is a mistake.

(ii)  Newton is going to want what's best for him (as well he should). Playing on a one-year prove it deal doesn't fit that criteria.

(iii)  The Panthers want what's best for them. Extending Newton when they don't know whether he can stay healthy is too much of a gamble.

(iv)  Those things put them at cross purposes, so oeither one side changes their mind or they're likely headed for a split.

(i)  Assuming Cam and the Panthers couldn't possibly want the same things is a mistake. 

(ii)  Of course he does...and that means earning the most money possible over the next 6-years.  Balling out on a one-year prove-it deal is exactly what he needs to do to accomplish the 6-year goal.

(iii)  Of course they do, as does every other NFL team.  No other team will extend Cam either.

(iv)  It is possible Cam and the Panthers want the same thing and in that scenario nobody needs to change their mind.  It is also possible Cam wants an extension before the season and if that's true he's going to have to decide whether or not he wants to play in the NFL any more -- because he ain't getting an extension -- from anyone.

[SBiii]

14 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Cam is going to have a 1 year prove it deal regardless of where he goes.  Cam should *want* a 1 year prove it deal at this point.

Pleaying on a 1 year prove it deal 100% fits the criteria of Cam looking out for what is best for him.

Exactly.

Cam's goal is to maximize his earnings over the course of 6-years. 

The 1-year prove-it deal is exactly how he will do so.