For Igo and everyone else putting Cam on another team next season

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, Montsta said:

 You are a super intelligent football guy IMO. So let me ask, if you were Cam’s reps do you think any other team would sign him to a deal with better than $19MM guaranteed across multiple years that didn’t allow them to cut bait after a year of it doesn’t pan out? I just don’t see it personally. So I hope his people make that known and say $19MM for a year is a good bet. Cam Newton strikes me as a man willing to bet on himself, and prove he is the same talent we have seen in years past that will guarantee him status as a 31 year old UFA QB in his prime ready to get a 5 year record deal.

In fact, I’d go a step further and say if Cam opted out to get a paltry 3 year fully voidable contract now instead of playing for us it means he doesn’t believe in what he is capable of himself at this point. 

See above.

Newton accepting a one year deal without guarantees means he assumes all the risk. If he gets hurt or even if he plays poorly, his future earnings fly away.

And again, if ten teams were actually willing to trade for him while he wasn't healthy and was still in rehab, what makes you think that number's gone down now?

Like I said, all it takes is one.

Also, yeah I know, tampering is bad and all, but if you think his people don't know whether there's a market for him out there or not, think again.

[jfra78]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Just the opposite, actually.

Newton is looking for his next (and last) contract. If he plays this year on a one-year "prove it" deal, and gets hurt, any and all hope for that big final contract goes bye bye.

So why should somebody else give him a contract extension? Well, why should Panthers give him a contract extension? If you don't think somebody else would, why would you believe the Panthers could?

But here's the thing: Newton will have had a year off by the time free agency comes up. And he just announced to everybody that he's having surgery so he'll be healthy.

Remember, back in midseason, the story was that at least ten teams would have been willing to trade for him even back then.

Has he done anything that would make those teams less interested?  Just the opposite. In their eyes, he took the time needed to heal up.

I've heard agency on more than one occasion that for older players oh, you don't let them get to that final year of their contract without an extension. That's the place where Newton is right now.

And given that there were ten teams interested before, remember it only takes one.

Sounds good, but you keep forgetting he is under contract,  If he sits out he will continue to be under contract the next season, and so on, and so on, forever. The more he doesnt play, the less desireable he will be to other teams. He has to play next year to get the deal you say he wants.  It will be with the Panthers unless they decide to trade him. 

 

[jfra78]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

See above.

Newton accepting a one year deal without guarantees means he assumes all the risk. If he gets hurt or even if he plays poorly, his future earnings fly away.

And again, if ten teams were actually willing to trade for him while he wasn't healthy and was still in rehab, what makes you think that number's gone down now?

Like I said, all it takes is one.

Also, yeah I know, tampering is bad and all, but if you think his people don't know whether there's a market for him out there or not, think again.

Its not accepting a 1 year deal, it is the last year of a contract that he signed. Stop trying to spin everything to fit your narrative.  He is under contract with the Panthers. The Panthers have all the leverage.  Whatever happens will be the Panthers decision, not Cams

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Its not accepting a 1 year deal, it is the last year of a contract that he signed. Stop trying to spin everything to fit your narrative.  He is under contract with the Panthers. The Panthers have all the leverage.  Whatever happens will be the Panthers decision, not Cams

Again, that's not guaranteed.

And the Panthers decision might not be what you think it will be.

[joeyxfresco]

this has become less about cam and more of a dick swinging contest. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, joeyxfresco said:

this has become less about cam and more of a dick swinging contest. 

Eeehhh, not really, but it doesn't actually matter.

This debate has no bearing on what's ultimately going to happen. Even if someone came up with the most convincing argument in history that Newton is going to stay, neither the Panthers nor Newton's people are going to change their decisions.

I'm debating because I enjoy talking football stuff. Not like any of it matters though.

[jfra78]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Again, that's not guaranteed.

And the Panthers decision might not be what you think it will be.

Players play on their last year all the time.  Shaq did this year and got extended.  

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, jfra78 said:

Players play on their last year all the time.  Shaq did this year and got extended.  

Shaq's not 30 and coming off two straight injured seasons.

[jfra78]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Shaq's not 30 and coming off two straight injured seasons.

Exactly, so why would Cam sit out yet another year and get older?

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Exactly, so why would Cam sit out yet another year and get older?

He needs to get his next and final contract now.

Wait a year, and if something goes wrong, nobody's going to apologize or take pity. They're just going to say "sorry, too bad".

[WoahW]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Eeehhh, not really, but it doesn't actually matter.

This debate has no bearing on what's ultimately going to happen. Even if someone came up with the most convincing argument in history that Newton is going to stay, neither the Panthers nor Newton's people are going to change their decisions.

I'm debating because I enjoy talking football stuff. Not like any of it matters though.

So decisions are already made and both sides are saying Cam is gone? At least we know your stance and why you’ll never acknowledge it could be wrong. Took you long enough 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, WoahW said:

So decisions are already made and both sides are saying Cam is gone? At least we know your stance and why you’ll never acknowledge it could be wrong. Took you long enough 

Yeah, nothing that you just inferred is actually in what I said.

Decision time comes in February or March when the league year starts over. As it stands now, it doesn't sound like Newton is staying, but one side or the other could change their mind. That's considered unlikely, but anything is possible.

And again, that comes from other people, not me. Those people have spoken for themselves within the thread.

[WoahW]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, nothing that you just inferred is actually in what I said.

Decision time comes in February or March when the league year starts over. As it stands now, it doesn't sound like Newton is staying, but one side or the other could change their mind. That's considered unlikely, but anything is possible.

And again, that comes from other people, not me. Those people have spoken for themselves within the thread.

Except you said this which means you believe he is gone and decisions won’t change 

22 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Eeehhh, not really, but it doesn't actually matter.

This debate has no bearing on what's ultimately going to happen. Even if someone came up with the most convincing argument in history that Newton is going to stay, neither the Panthers nor Newton's people are going to change their decisions.

I'm debating because I enjoy talking football stuff. Not like any of it matters though.

So yes you did say it, it’s clearly implying no matter what anyone says Cam won’t be here and decisions won’t change. Or you would have said it for both him staying or leaving...

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, WoahW said:

Except you said this which means you believe he is gone and decisions won’t change 

So yes you did say it, it’s clearly implying no matter what anyone says Cam won’t be here and decisions won’t change. Or you would have said it for both him staying or leaving...

Wrong, that's just how you're reading it. it applies whatever those decisions happen to be (which I didn't state one way or the other).

This is what we in the debate world call "a hypothetical situation", the point of which was that the result of a message board debate has no bearing on reality.

And as I've said repeatedly, both the Panthers and Newton are going to do whatever they do regardless of what anybody on here says.