For Igo and everyone else putting Cam on another team next season

[Montsta]

2 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

All of the leagues best QBs were taken layer than that. Much later.

Yeah but bro that’s on hope and a prayer. Sure there is Lamar Jackson and Pat Mahomes and Tom Brady. But you go dismissing a talent like Cam fuging Newton unless you got THE GUY. 

Look at Indy, they let go of Peyton Manning (who had arguably some his best years in Denver), because they had the opportunity to draft Andrew Luck. And even with that, how did that work out for them. Luck didn’t hang nothing in Indianapolis except for participation banners. 

Me personally, I’m all for known commodities, a bird in the hand and all that. Cam Newton is the motherfuging man. Period. Hard stop. He IS this franchise, as has been proven again this season. 

Now I get there is a conversation to be had as far as whether or not he is willing to play on this final year deal with no guarantees in place for the future. If he isn’t, then you gotta do what you gotta do. But realistically, if he does sign to another team their deal will essentially be maybe a 3 year prove it deal with the ability to opt out after year one anyway, I guarantee it, and hopefully his representation will make that clear to him. 

So let’s fuging roll with Cam Newton on what equates to a bottom half QB contract of $19MM that is essentially a franchise rate type deal and see what we got. 

[billionairemonk]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That assumes he's willing to play under that arrangement, though.

why do you keep saying this?  it would be the height of stupidity for him to hold out.  

inb4- it's a possibility.  no it is not.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, jfra78 said:

Cam needs to play next year. If he sits out a year, 1 he will still be under contract with the team and 2 there will be another season he hasnt played.  And then what? He sits out again?  It makes no sense for him to not play out his contract if that is what the Panthers want.

If he expresses that he doesn't want to play on a one year contract, what good does it do the Panthers to try and force him?

At that point, it would be easier to move on.

1 minute ago, billionairemonk said:

why do you keep saying this?  it would be the height of stupidity for him to hold out.  

inb4- it's a possibility.  no it is not.

You sure about that?

[WoahW]

 

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

If he expresses that he doesn't want to play on a one year contract, what good does it do the Panthers to try and force him?

At that point, it would be easier to move on.

You sure about that?

Because it forces his hand? Owners have done it year after year. 

[Montsta]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That assumes he's willing to play under that arrangement, though.

Contrary to popular belief, if he doesn't want to, you can't really make him.

And if I'm one of Newton's people, I'd be asking why should he assume all the risk? if there's another team out there that's willing to gamble on a longer contract or more money, why shouldn't he take that? And I'm afraid I'd need a better answer than "loyalty to the Panthers".

(for the fans, the kids or the puppies doesn't really work either)

 You are a super intelligent football guy IMO. So let me ask, if you were Cam’s reps do you think any other team would sign him to a deal with better than $19MM guaranteed across multiple years that didn’t allow them to cut bait after a year of it doesn’t pan out? I just don’t see it personally. So I hope his people make that known and say $19MM for a year is a good bet. Cam Newton strikes me as a man willing to bet on himself, and prove he is the same talent we have seen in years past that will guarantee him status as a 31 year old UFA QB in his prime ready to get a 5 year record deal.

In fact, I’d go a step further and say if Cam opted out to get a paltry 3 year fully voidable contract now instead of playing for us it means he doesn’t believe in what he is capable of himself at this point. 

[jfra78]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

If he expresses that he doesn't want to play on a one year contract, what good does it do the Panthers to try and force him?

At that point, it would be easier to move on.

Why would it be bad for the panthers to force him to play out his contract? Makes no sense.  I think your grasping at straws.

[billionairemonk]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

You sure about that?

^acting like you know something.

yes, 100%.  if he does this, then it means he's basically finished.  if he is healthy and holds out, i will eat my crow and say you were right and you can say i told you so.  only a complete moron would advise a client in cam's position to hold out.  he has zero leverage if he wants to play in the league.  zero.

[Xtreme]

A healthy Cam all day everyday. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, billionairemonk said:

^acting like you know something.

yes, 100%.  if he does this, then it means he's basically finished.  if he is healthy and holds out, i will eat my crow and say you were right and you can say i told you so.  only a complete moron would advise a client in cam's position to hold out.  he has zero leverage if he wants to play in the league.  zero.

Just the opposite, actually.

Newton is looking for his next (and last) contract. If he plays this year on a one-year "prove it" deal, and gets hurt, any and all hope for that big final contract goes bye bye.

So why should somebody else give him a contract extension? Well, why should Panthers give him a contract extension? If you don't think somebody else would, why would you believe the Panthers could?

But here's the thing: Newton will have had a year off by the time free agency comes up. And he just announced to everybody that he's having surgery so he'll be healthy.

Remember, back in midseason, the story was that at least ten teams would have been willing to trade for him even back then.

Has he done anything that would make those teams less interested?  Just the opposite. In their eyes, he took the time needed to heal up.

I've heard agency on more than one occasion that for older players oh, you don't let them get to that final year of their contract without an extension. That's the place where Newton is right now.

And given that there were ten teams interested before, remember it only takes one.

[Pantherzack179812]

1 hour ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Lmao 

This boy just said photographer lol. We’re talking about a guy who arranged a freaking boat ride For his group with Cam Newton just this year lol. But we believe the radio guy who has 0 contact with Cams people or the Panthers. LOL

[billionairemonk]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Just the opposite, actually.

Newton is looking for his next (and last) contract. If he plays this year on a one-year "prove it" deal, and gets hurt, any and all hope for that big final contract goes bye bye.

So why should somebody else give him a contract extension? Well, why should Panthers give him a contract extension? If you don't think somebody else would, why would you believe the Panthers could?

But here's the thing: Newton will have had a year off by the time free agency comes up. And he just announced to everybody that he's having surgery so he'll be healthy.

Remember, back in midseason, the story was that at least ten teams would have been willing to trade for him even back then.

Has he done anything that would make those teams less interested?  Just the opposite. In their eyes, he took the time needed to heal up.

I've heard agency on more than one occasion that for older players oh, you don't let them get to that final year of their contract without an extension. That's the place where Newton is right now.

And given that there were ten teams interested before, remember it only takes one.

you and i has this same discussion the other day.  does igo pay you to keep replying with the same bait to keep posters clicking or do you just post so much you can't keep track of it all?

[Pantherzack179812]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Just the opposite, actually.

Newton is looking for his next (and last) contract. If he plays this year on a one-year "prove it" deal, and gets hurt, any and all hope for that big final contract goes bye bye.

So why should somebody else give him a contract extension? Well, why should Panthers give him a contract extension? If you don't think somebody else would, why would you believe the Panthers could?

But here's the thing: Newton will have had a year off by the time free agency comes up. And he just announced to everybody that he's having surgery so he'll be healthy.

Remember, back in midseason, the story was that at least ten teams would have been willing to trade for him even back then.

Has he done anything that would make those teams less interested?  Just the opposite. In their eyes, he took the time needed to heal up.

I've heard agency on more than one occasion that for older players oh, you don't let them get to that final year of their contract without an extension. That's the place where Newton is right now.

And given that there were ten teams interested before, remember it only takes one.

I 100% disagree with one thing... Cam would bring a 1st rounder(s)Sam Bradford got one and he has the worst injury history I’ve ever seen....

[Pantherzack179812]

I love how in one sentence Cam is a piece we should never trade and the next say nobody in the league will even consider giving a 2nd rounder for him.... if there is a chance he could be 2015 level again, it would be a HUGE deal.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, billionairemonk said:

you and i has this same discussion the other day.  does igo pay you to keep replying with the same bait to keep posters clicking or do you just post so much you can't keep track of it all?

You ask, I answer. That's the answer.

I'd also point out that I didn't start the thread.

5 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

This boy just said photographer lol. We’re talking about a guy who arranged a freaking boat ride For his group with Cam Newton just this year lol. But we believe the radio guy who has 0 contact with Cams people or the Panthers. LOL

Yeah, I wouldn't bet on that.