Curtis Samuel is not killing drives

[Moo Daeng]

I miss Sacas 1,000 word essays in which 300 were "Curtis Samuel"

[Icege]

I like how those responding with how they don't think Curtis Samuel is any good completely ignore the bounties of evidence showing otherwise across the thread. None of yall gonna address any of the videos? 

[weyco2000]

My wife thought he was Philly Brown...

[MasterAwesome]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

I like how those responding with how they don't think Curtis Samuel is any good completely ignore the bounties of evidence showing otherwise across the thread. None of yall gonna address any of the videos? 

These kinds of silly GIF compilations of cherry-picked plays strung together are dumb as hell and hardly warrant a response. Give me ANY narrative you want me to push and I can make it happen with 4-5 plays from a season’s worth of tape. I can make Kyle Allen look like an elite QB, I can make Daryl Williams look like an All-Pro LT, I can line up all of Christian McCaffrey’s stuffed runs on goal line plays and say he’s a bum. Hell, I can present you a few GIFs of Curtis Samuel precisely killing drives with dropped open passes that would directly contradict your statement. Do you deny any of this?

Not to mention several of those plays in your first video were in extremely tight coverage where Samuel got little-to-no separation. Those were poor decisions by Allen to throw those low-percentage deep balls into tight coverage, but “poor Curtis Samuel” would suggest that he was open and the throws just weren’t there...which was the case in maybe half of those clips if I’m being charitable. Do you deny that?

Those silly videos aside, the statistical snapshot you posted does support that his success is reasonably hindered by Allen’s ineptitude in getting him the ball. Statistical evidence also paints Samuel as having some of the worst hands in the league (tied for 3rd worst with 7 drops) and is among the worst in average yards of separation. Do you feel inclined to address that?

In conclusion: Kyle Allen is bad, Curtis Samuel is bad.

[Moo Daeng]

2 hours ago, Icege said:

I like how those responding with how they don't think Curtis Samuel is any good completely ignore the bounties of evidence showing otherwise across the thread. None of yall gonna address any of the videos? 

Lol....highlight videos

Hes a great athlete who has made some great plays. Hes average at best at this point in his career at being a receiver.

[imminent rogaine]

2 hours ago, weyco2000 said:

My wife thought he was Philly Brown...

She’s right.

[Moo Daeng]

2 minutes ago, imminent rogaine said:

She’s right.

Not much difference in terms of production 

[ImaginaryKev]

He's still a useful player and would look worlds better in a better offense like Chicago or KC. When we get a better qb and a better coaching staff he'll probably be fine and have his fans back. He still scores TDs as much as we fuss about his drops. He's more of an athlete than actual WR tho, I won't argue against that. I'm fine with him, think the team needs to improve WR depth in general, tho  

[ImaginaryKev]

And he doesn't need to be all-world to be useful here anyway, DJ is the money guy

[ImaginaryKev]

15 hours ago, mav1234 said:

Curtis Samuel is tied for 4th worst in the league in catch % at 50.56%.  He is tied for fifth worst in the league with 7 drops.  He has been targeted 89 times.

For comparison, DJ Moore's catch % is ~65%, and he has only 4 drops.  He has been targeted 121 times.

Samuel is a dynamic playmaker with the ball in his hands.  The issue is getting the  ball in his hands reliably.  That issue is both a Samuel problem, and an Allen problem.  Samuel is not trash, but he is also not a particularly good receiver.  Kyle Allen is not a particularly good quarterback, but Samuel is contributing his own poor play to the mix that is killing drives.

Yeah but also seems Samuel would be a TD machine who still has some rough edges if Allen were more competent so it's probably more of a QB issue in the grand scheme. Allen clearly has more issues dropping the ball, too

[Icege]

That phrase "cherry picked" is being used to invalidate the evidence presented, but have any of you actually gone thru and counted the individual plays on display?

Because it's a lot of fuging cherries

[JawnyBlaze]

I haven’t understood the hate for Samuel. He’s had a couple drops but mostly it’s because every single throw to him more than 15 yards deep is under thrown and fluttering. It throws off his timing, his route, and makes it damn near impossible to catch. Julio would have trouble with Allen at QB. Samuel has plenty of room for improvement for sure, but he’s not going to until someone can get him the ball. 

[Zaximus]

Let's not forget he's a RB drafted to become a WR.     The Panther way.

[TheRed]

I get the criticism, some is valid. Unfortunately it isn't all that fair to try to get a good look at Samuel when we are taking so very few legit deep shots. When noodle arm Matt fuging Ryan is putting our deep passing game to shame when we have guys like Moore and Samuel out there, what more needs to be said? Yes our offensive line is struggling, but when you can't consistently make deep plays that doesn't exactly help your pass protection because the defense knows they can just keep pinning their ears back and hitting the QB. Especially when said QB is barely throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage half the time.