It's been a decade since a team found their franchise QB in the top 5 of the NFL draft

[GoPanthers123]

It’s a lot to do with coaching and other variables.  Browns just suck and they can draft Jackson and ruin him as a QB given the chance.  

[LinvilleGorge]

23 hours ago, pantherj said:

Herbert has the arm to allow us to stretch the field, and he looks very durable. Nice touch on the ball as well, and high football IQ. If I'm being critical he doesn't appear to throw a high velocity ball, which isn't great.

Don't forget, he had season ending injuries in both his freshman and sophomore seasons. Broken collarbone and broken femur.

[MHS831]

On 12/8/2019 at 9:57 AM, bobowilson said:

And the last time it happened was when the Carolina Panthers selected Cam Newton with the 1st pick.

If you look at every "young" franchise QB in the NFL right now, none of them were taken early in the 1st round.   There is a lot of sentiment that we will have to tank next year or do a long rebuild to draft high enough to find a new qb, but the data is pretty interesting.   Don't be so sure we can't find someone in the middle part of the 1st round.

Here is the list of 'top 5' QBs selected since Cam Newton

Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Sam Darnold, Mitch Trubisky, Carson Wentz, Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Blake Bortles, Sam Bradford.   Carson Wentz is the only one out of this bunch with potential to live up to his draft billing.

Now look at the 'young' quarterbacks actually thriving in the NFL

Deshaun Watson - 12th pick

Russell Wilson - 3rd round

Patrick Mahomes - 10th pick

Lamar Jackson - 32nd pick

Kirk Cousins - 3rd round

Dak Prescott - 4th round

Derek Carr - 2nd round

Ryan Tannehill (maybe) - 8th pick, but also was able to be signed as cheap FA

Jimmy Garappolo - 2nd round

I doubt Jacoby Brissett or Minshew will prove to be franchise QBs, but they're somewhere in the range and also didn't require early draft capital.

Kyler Murray may prove to be the first early QB drafted in a decade who is a franchise guy, but it's too early to determine how he will pan out.

You could almost add Josh Allen (7th overall) to the list.  Not sure if he has arrived yet,  but of the Darnold/Mayfield/Rosen group, he seems to be doing the best so far.

[bobowilson]

17 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

You could almost add Josh Allen (7th overall) to the list.  Not sure if he has arrived yet,  but of the Darnold/Mayfield/Rosen group, he seems to be doing the best so far.

Josh Allen might be the most overrated QB in the NFL

I blame the Thanksgiving game, which was the only time people watched the Buffalo Bills and his best career performance

He's a bottom 5 QB being carried by an elite defense and great coaches

He's a slightly more accurate Tim Teb ow (only slightly).    I would hate to have him as the long term QB of my team.

 

[bobowilson]

Anyways, to whoever wants to add Andrew Luck to this list, despite being retired, that was also a decade ago.

Carson Wentz is the only borderline franchise guy drafted in the top 5 the past decade, and he's on the fringe of being a top qb.

I do think Kyler Murray will be a top 10 qb in time, but he has a lot more in common with the guys who were under drafted the years before him.

[AggieLean]

Josh Allen is also not very accurate according to a lot of the good folks here on the huddle. He’s at 59% this year, with a career 56% completion %

[firefox1234]

58 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Josh Allen is also not very accurate according to a lot of the good folks here on the huddle. He’s at 59% this year, with a career 56% completion %

Sounds about whi...I mean right.

[micnificent28]

Not to say that hes all go against the grain here,but if a team in the top 10 gives one of those guys a second contract wouldn't that be a franchise qb? Goff got one. And Jameis will get one 2. Not that Jameis is all world or anything but for as bad as he is at making bone head plays he makes  other throws elite qbs make. He can win you games. They will resign. If they let him walk teams will line up to sign him.

[RumHam]

Well andrew luck was a franchise QB. Teams reach on qbs and outside of burrow, this qb class is awful. Tua is short and broken, herbert is josh allen 2.0, jalen will be better than them

[bobowilson]

27 minutes ago, RumHam said:

Well andrew luck was a franchise QB. Teams reach on qbs and outside of burrow, this qb class is awful. Tua is short and broken, herbert is josh allen 2.0, jalen will be better than them

Andrew Luck was a decade ago

 

[Ricky Spanish]

12 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

Andrew Luck was a decade ago

 

Today I learned that 2012 was a decade ago

[Ricky Spanish]

Another fun fact, it's been OVER a decade since we've had a winning season with our Current GM at the helm.

So there's that, and we MIGHT have a top 10 pick and no decent QB on our roster next year if we get rid of Cam.

 

[mav1234]

So I personally think "top 5" is a very weird cutoff point.  There's rarely more than a single QB taken in the top 5.  In addition, what we consider a "franchise QB" and what the franchises do are often different things.  For instance, Jared Goff is clearly the QB the Rams are building around for the next few years.  Trubisky will get another year, but yeah, the Bears may look elsewhere soon.  Both Mayfield and Darnold are their teams Franchise QBs right now, but who knows if they will keep that.  And on top of that, how do you handle players lost to injury?  Hard to blame those players, or the GMs drafting them...

Now the original point of the post could have been more succinctly stated as, "You can draft a good QB after the top 5."  Which is true.  You can also draft a good QB in the top 5.

The nice thing is we don't need to lose 16 games in a season to get a shot at decent QB prospect... as long as there is more than one in the draft...

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Cam Newton is the exception..but Wentz has a strike against him because he's been injured?

Sam Darnold, Winston, Wentz, Goff.  Are franchise QBs right now.  Period.  Regardless if you like them or not.  They are.