About this Cam Newton leaving talk...

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, billionairemonk said:

absolutely, i like cam and hope he comes back to mvp form; but he has zero leverage right now and the entire league knows it. 

Back at midseason, the word was there were at least ten teams that were willing to trade for him. Since then, he's done nothing to change anyone's perception of him. 

As far as the league is concerned, he's taking his time to fully heal. In fact, he recently announced to basically the entire league that he was having surgery and would be healthy as of March.

And now you have a leak, which likely as not comes from the team, saying "we're willing to trade him, but we want a good price and we'll keep him if we don't get one". That's a step right out of the standard "trying to trade a player" handbook.

Like I said, a lot of things can happen, but I definitely see things leaning against his being here next year.

[billionairemonk]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

And now you have a leak, which likely as not comes from the team, saying "we're willing to trade him, but we want a good price and we'll keep him if we don't get one". That's a step right out of the standard "trying to trade a player" handbook.

yes, it seems the team thinks there is a slim chance he returns to form. 

[billionairemonk]

16 hours ago, The Lobo said:

Do you think it’s possible he went vegan for anti inflammatory purposes for his shoulder? 

imagine thinking that eating vegetables containing glyphosate and processed soy products reduces inflammation 

[The Lobo]

Just now, billionairemonk said:

imagine thinking that eating vegetables containing glyphosate and processed soy products reduces inflammation 

@Jeremy Igo did I not read correctly vegan diets have anti inflammatory purposes? I’m not vegan that’s why I’m asking.  

[1919Eternal]

If we can get a first round+ pick for him then I would say take it.  Let him go and prove himself somewhere else.  We have a lot of holes to fill and have a couple of extra low round picks would help a lot in the long run. 

[onmyown]

31 minutes ago, billionairemonk said:

imagine thinking that eating vegetables containing glyphosate and processed soy products reduces inflammation 

Not about reducing it, it’s about preventing it. Staying away from meats will help.

And if you have enough money to pay chefs and dieticians to make your meals so you get enough micros with vegan meals, you’re good.

That said your progress won’t be as fast if the goal is to get stronger and faster, it just won’t. Healthier, better, possible for you etc sure, but not as quick.

[heel31ok]

On 12/7/2019 at 12:18 PM, Doc Holiday said:

If Cam has any chance at all to return to being the Cam we know and love and we let him walk or trade him away. 
 

It would be the single biggest mistake in this teams History.
 

Even if you want to draft his eventual replacement this year, it would still be a massive mistake. I thought everyone watching Allen this year would remind y’all how rare of a talent Cam is when healthy. But apparently not. I wonder who saw the rollercoaster that is Allen coming this season? I wonder who said Remember Matt Moore? Don’t shoot yourself in the foot trying to get something when you already have something better on the roster. Cam when healthy is a top 10 if not too 5 QB in this league and that is rare enough that you don’t let him go when there is a chance for him to return to form.

end of discussion!

Lol..

There is no "drafting " his replacement this year...unless we give up waymiore than Cam

[heel31ok]

On 12/7/2019 at 12:46 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

No we don't. I'd probably feel differently if we had the #1 overall pick, but with a likely mid-1st rounder you absolutely do yourself no favors reaching out of desperation on a QB if the right guy isn't there.

Not many "right " guys in this draft

1 maybe...

[SBiii]

4 hours ago, AU-panther said:

Especially if the medical prognosis was full recovery.

There-in lay the rub.

Your thesis is 100% faulty....pablum in it's purest form.

[SBiii]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

You think a good agent would tell him "just play out this next year, and don't worry that an injury might screw your chances of getting another contract"?

Yes.

The Expected Value of playing "out this next year" for Cam is so incredibly massive that if his agent were to "tell him" otherwise the agent should be fired immediately.

[uncfan888]

4 minutes ago, SBiii said:

There-in lay the rub.

Your thesis is 100% faulty....pablum in it's purest form.

You aren't as smart as you think you are

[stratocatter]

23 hours ago, AU-panther said:

Personally I think the extension is a huge deal, and honestly  he has more leverage than people think.  Contractually he might not, but there other ways to create leverage.   Players in multiple sports are showing that more and more.  He can easily say "if you don't sign me to an extension now there is no way I'm resigning the following year."  At that point you stand the chance of losing him for nothing. Not to mention I'm not sure if you want an ugly contract situation with your franchise QB.

Also he would be crazy to take short term prove it deals, not to mention his agent wouldn't' be doing his job.

If he fully expects to be healthy he has every right to expect a contract comparable to other top QBs.  If he has any doubt that he is going to be healthy, then that is even more reason to find a team willing to give a longer t3erm deal with guaranteed money.  Why would you take a one year deal to prove you aren't healthy?  This might be his last chance to get a big contract.

This is one of those situations where both sides might be right.  I can't blame Cam for looking for a contract that is comparable to other top QBs, but I also can't blame the team for not wanting to pay that.

When it is all said it done, my best guess is they trade him this offseason.  The team will probably get less in trade value then a lot on here think.  Also his next contract will probably be less than he is wanting but still more than we are willing to pay.

On a side note, I find it interesting that a lot of the people on here that are Cam fanboys and quick to defend him in every situation are also quick to suggest that he should play out his contract on basically a one year deal or to accept a lot of stipulations in his next contract.  I guess it is convenient to champion a cause when it lines up with your wants.

If Aaron Rogers or Drew Brees got hurt the year before their contract year they would still expect to negotiate as if they were top QBs in the league.  Especially if the medical prognosis was full recovery.

 

All of this comes down to multiple injuries of different body parts. Not just one.

He is really a good candidate to be an analogy to a high mileage car. Maybe in his case, an Escalade.... but anyhow, anyone who has ever owned a high mileage car knows that first it is one thing, you fix it, next thing you know it is something else. This happens if you keep it long enough, even if you take care of it. At this point, nobody really knows if he can make the trip or if he will leave us stranded. And it isn't just us, it is every team out there.

This season, we got him back from the shop and did not even make it home before something else broke and left us on the side of the road needing a ride.

Last time that happened to me, I had that car scrapped and wrote off the repair I had just paid for.

He needs to make the trip, to prove he can. And at this point, maybe he gets you there but breaks down coming back. It really is a gamble.

 

[MechaZain]

This has been what’s bothered me about everyone acting like its a done deal that he’s gone.  I could understand somewhat when we thought Allen could be the guy but it makes no sense now. Without a legit successor we’re QB needy just like everyone else vying for Cam. Who’s giving him a multi-year deal if the Panthers, who know his health better than anyone, aren’t willing to?

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, MechaZain said:

This has been what’s bothered me about everyone acting like its a done deal that he’s gone.  I could understand somewhat when we thought Allen could be the guy but it makes no sense now. Without a legit successor we’re QB needy just like everyone else vying for Cam. Who’s giving him a multi-year deal if the Panthers, who know his health better than anyone, aren’t willing to?

It's not a done deal.

There are just some very serious factors working against it that make it unlikely.