About this Cam Newton leaving talk...

[AceBoogie]

6 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Are you willing to give him an extension?

(that's what it may well take)

If so, how much?

The thing that works in our favor is that will any other team be willing to give him a long term extension? I doubt it. Not until they see if he’s healthy and if he’s healthy then we wouldn’t be dumb enough to trade him. It seems the only way Cam leaves is if he leaves based on pure spite because he didn’t get the contract extension. 
 

I’m the biggest Cam supporter but he has to know that he’s going to have to prove he can stay healthy and he hasn’t done that the past two seasons. Cam can force his way out but it would be a bad look on his part. 

[Doc Holiday]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Or you think the other teams are wrong. and it's worth noting that we're in a position to know more than any of them.

Bottom line here though is that it doesn't  ultimately matter whether other teams are willing to make an offer or not. If Newton says "I won't play without an extension" and the Panthers say "we're not giving you an extension", then I seriously doubt the Panthers are going to force him to hold out or anything of that sort. They're going to trade him or let him go.

You can debate the wisdom of the move if you want, but at least for now, this is speculated to be the most likely outcome unless things change.

I mean it’s all just speculation, only people that actually know what is going on aren’t talking to us.

it is what it is.(want to puke after saying that)

[MHS831]

You gather all of the facts that you can and you make a business decision--not based on emotions like fear or possible regret--you make it based on probability and realistic expected outcome. 

I see Cam having a good game for the Jags or Dolphins and everyone freaking out.  Remember, you are gambling on a 4-5 year deal at about $30m per.

I wonder if Marty was worried that Jake Delhomme was not done so he gave him a nice deal after Tommy John surgery.  It was dumb at the time, dumb now.

 

[MHS831]

If you look at the history of the league/free agency, etc.  Most teams extend beloved players even when common sense says not to do so.  The best teams throughout history--the Steelers and Patriots, for example, know when to let go.  At his age and considering how he was used and abused, it is a safe bet to assume that Cam's best days are behind him.  Do you give him an 4-year extension and a 150% raise?

When you talk about Cam, use the present tense and it gets easier to figure out.  Contracts are for expected future returns, not rewards.

[SBiii]

9 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Are you willing to give him an extension?

(that's what it may well take)

If so, how much?

Are you?

[The Lobo]

3 hours ago, beastson said:

Cam needs to drop the vegan poo. You get stronger and faster is the goal. 

Do you think it’s possible he went vegan for anti inflammatory purposes for his shoulder? 

[SBiii]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

My own thoughts are basically what I've been told by people with inside knowledge. Newton wants an extension and the Panthers won't give him one.

Unless one side of the other gives in, they're headed for a divorce.

"...what I've been told by people with inside knowledge."

No legitimate NFL scribe, local or otherwise, has reported that Cam "wants an extension" and will not play if "the Panthers won't give him one".

Who are your "people"?  By definition you are saying you have more than 1 person reporting this information to you. 

Do these "people" work directly for Marty Hurney? 

Seems odd multiple "people" within the Panthers organization would know AND leak to you that Cam and the team are "headed for a divorce" yet this hasn't been reported in any way by a legitimate NFL scribe.

Did you simply make all this up?

[AU-panther]

23 hours ago, PhillyB said:

the extension isn't a big deal. he doesn't have much leverage right now as the market will probably also only offer him prove-it deals.

wrangling up a two or three year deal that's backloaded and heavily incentivized without an abundance of guaranteed money gives him the chance to get paid if he's able to perform and the team the ability to trade or cut him if one or both parties decide that's how they want to go.

Personally I think the extension is a huge deal, and honestly  he has more leverage than people think.  Contractually he might not, but there other ways to create leverage.   Players in multiple sports are showing that more and more.  He can easily say "if you don't sign me to an extension now there is no way I'm resigning the following year."  At that point you stand the chance of losing him for nothing. Not to mention I'm not sure if you want an ugly contract situation with your franchise QB.

Also he would be crazy to take short term prove it deals, not to mention his agent wouldn't' be doing his job.

If he fully expects to be healthy he has every right to expect a contract comparable to other top QBs.  If he has any doubt that he is going to be healthy, then that is even more reason to find a team willing to give a longer t3erm deal with guaranteed money.  Why would you take a one year deal to prove you aren't healthy?  This might be his last chance to get a big contract.

This is one of those situations where both sides might be right.  I can't blame Cam for looking for a contract that is comparable to other top QBs, but I also can't blame the team for not wanting to pay that.

When it is all said it done, my best guess is they trade him this offseason.  The team will probably get less in trade value then a lot on here think.  Also his next contract will probably be less than he is wanting but still more than we are willing to pay.

On a side note, I find it interesting that a lot of the people on here that are Cam fanboys and quick to defend him in every situation are also quick to suggest that he should play out his contract on basically a one year deal or to accept a lot of stipulations in his next contract.  I guess it is convenient to champion a cause when it lines up with your wants.

If Aaron Rogers or Drew Brees got hurt the year before their contract year they would still expect to negotiate as if they were top QBs in the league.  Especially if the medical prognosis was full recovery.

 

[billionairemonk]

On 12/7/2019 at 12:52 PM, Mr. Scot said:

You assume he's willing to do that, and further assume his agent is willing to let that happen.

If I'm his agent, my answer to anyone asking him to play out this next season as a "prove it" year involves telling them to jam something in a certain orifice.

 

this makes zero sense. he's under contract next year.  holding out when you've been injured for two seasons is a "power move" of the dumbest order.  i usually agree with your points, but don't quit your day job to be an agent.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, billionairemonk said:

this makes zero sense. he's under contract next year.  holding out when you've been injured for two seasons is a "power move" of the dumbest order.  i usually agree with your points, but don't quit your day job to be an agent.

You think a good agent would tell him "just play out this next year, and don't worry that an injury might screw your chances of getting another contract"?

[billionairemonk]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

You think a good agent would tell him "just play out this next year, and don't worry that an injury might screw your chances of getting another contract"?

yes, because holding out is admitting he's not healthy, isn't confident he will make it through the season, or acknowledging he will never return to form.  after 6 games, you start the extension talk if he's back to old form.  what kind of offer is he going to get by holding out without showing anything on film for a year and a half?

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, billionairemonk said:

yes, because holding out is admitting he's not healthy, isn't confident he will make it through the season, or acknowledging he will never return to form.  after 6 games, you start the extension talk if he's back to old form.  what kind of offer is he going to get by holding out without showing anything on film for a year and a half?

That's a very good scenario for the team.

For Newton, not so much.

[billionairemonk]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's a very good scenario for the team.

For Newton, not so much.

absolutely, i like cam and hope he comes back to mvp form; but he has zero leverage right now and the entire league knows it. 

[USDepartmentOfSavagery]