About this Cam Newton leaving talk...

[onmyown]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Believe all you want, but at the end of the day you either have to trade up to get your guy or simply tight and wait to see how the board falls.

Take a look at this list and see your odds of getting a legit NFL starting caliber QB with a mid-1st round pick. It's certainly not impossible, but it's highly unlikely.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_starting_quarterbacks_in_the_National_Football_League

I have no problem with the Panthers trading up to get a guy if he’s believed to be the one.

Unfortunately, as of now the one that makes that call is also the one who tried to trade up for Jimmy Clausen.

[PhillyB]

the extension isn't a big deal. he doesn't have much leverage right now as the market will probably also only offer him prove-it deals.

wrangling up a two or three year deal that's backloaded and heavily incentivized without an abundance of guaranteed money gives him the chance to get paid if he's able to perform and the team the ability to trade or cut him if one or both parties decide that's how they want to go.

[mav1234]

3 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

the extension isn't a big deal. he doesn't have much leverage right now as the market will probably also only offer him prove-it deals.

wrangling up a two or three year deal that's backloaded and heavily incentivized without an abundance of guaranteed money gives him the chance to get paid if he's able to perform and the team the ability to trade or cut him if one or both parties decide that's how they want to go.

that is also very possible.  my feeling is that there may be teams with better lines/not in the process of what will likely be a major rebuild where he might think he has a better shot of "proving it" than he does with us.

but a lot will probably depend on the new coach.

[TheRumGone]

22 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

But is it worth the one year risk to Newton?

And if there are indeed teams who will even so much as offer him a two year deal for more than what he gets in one year here (which there likely will be, and his agent will know if there are) then what's his incentive to play out a one year "prove it" deal here and risk his future?

You’re speaking in hypotheticals like the rest of us. I laid out what both camps will have to consider. And no I don’t think teams are gonna offer him more money on a two year deal after he sits out for essentially 3 seasons and 3 surgeries then he would making 22 million for 1 year. He can certainly take that chance. And he might. But I don’t think that’s a good call for him.

[mav1234]

4 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

You’re speaking in hypotheticals like the rest of us. I laid out what both camps will have to consider. And no I don’t think teams are gonna offer him more money on a two year deal after he sits out for essentially 3 seasons and 3 surgeries then he would making 22 million for 1 year. He can certainly take that chance. And he might. But I don’t think that’s a good call for him.

I could see a team offering him more total money over 2 years, but you are right it is all speculation.  The main reason I could see him preferring to leave the Panthers was the rebuild we are about to undertake and a decision that his best chance at a good contract would require a supporting cast.  Even when we weren't rebuilding we have struggled to give him the help he needs.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

You’re speaking in hypotheticals like the rest of us. I laid out what both camps will have to consider. And no I don’t think teams are gonna offer him more money on a two year deal after he sits out for essentially 3 seasons and 3 surgeries then he would making 22 million for 1 year. He can certainly take that chance. And he might. But I don’t think that’s a good call for him.

And if his agent finds that nobody is making an offer, then maybe he softens his stance. It's possible, even if I don't think it's likely.

But remember this: Back in mid-season the word was that at least ten teams were ready and willing to trade for Newton at that time. And by the time transactions are allowed again, Newton will have had a whole year to heal.

And let's not forget the recent surgery announcement, the timeframe of which puts him as recovered right around the time when free agency is getting ready to go. That message could have been delivered privately to the team, but instead it was announced publicly to the entire league. Do we really believe that wasn't on purpose?

Bottom Line: I don't know how many teams are out there thinking about the possibility of going with Cam on a deal for 2 years with a total of 20 million or higher, but I do know this.

All it takes is one.

[rippadonn]

What is this rebuild and why? If you're getting an offensive minded analytical coach(CHUD) why do you need to get rid of Cam Newton.

Running QB? Marty spilled the beans and said Cam has been transitioning into a pocket passer and was 72% accuracy before the cheap shot/ no call from Watt.

He's become the pocket passer everyone said to protect him from "hits" yet the agendas keep showing themselves.

If you think you can find somebody better than Cam you are most likely wrong.

 

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I could see a team offering him more total money over 2 years, but you are right it is all speculation.  The main reason I could see him preferring to leave the Panthers was the rebuild we are about to undertake and a decision that his best chance at a good contract would require a supporting cast.  Even when we weren't rebuilding we have struggled to give him the help he needs.

This is actually a pretty good point.

Do we believe the offensive line gets fixed in a single offseason?

If you're Newton, do you wanna go back out there behind a line like we've had this year?

[TheRumGone]

7 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I could see a team offering him more total money over 2 years, but you are right it is all speculation.  The main reason I could see him preferring to leave the Panthers was the rebuild we are about to undertake and a decision that his best chance at a good contract would require a supporting cast.  Even when we weren't rebuilding we have struggled to give him the help he needs.

Have to remember too that he would more than likely pick a team that isn’t a dumpster fire. It would have to be a cross between a cap friendly deal and a team that can compete. It is entirely possible but not a certainty.

Again there are a bunch of moving parts to this. People saying it’s unlikely he remains with the team don’t know poo.

[rippadonn]

Try and stop Cam from playing. Rivera couldn't.

Cam isn't that type. I'd be very surprised if he held out

[mav1234]

4 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

What is this rebuild and why? If you're getting an offensive minded analytical coach(CHUD) why do you need to get rid of Cam Newton.

Running QB? Marty spilled the beans and said Cam has been transitioning into a pocket passer and was 72% accuracy before the cheap shot/ no call from Watt.

He's become the pocket passer everyone said to protect him from "hits" yet the agendas keep showing themselves.

If you think you can find somebody better than Cam you are most likely wrong.

 

What rebuild?? The one where a huge fraction of our roster isn't under contract and we are looking for a new HC...

I don't think we need to get rid of Cam.  But i think he may not want to play out his contract here.  Frankly I hope he comes back healthy as a Panther and lights the league up.  I just think he may get a better option for himself elsewhere.

[rippadonn]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

What rebuild?? The one where a huge fraction of our roster isn't under contract and we are looking for a new HC...

I don't think we need to get rid of Cam.  But i think he may not want to play out his contract here.  Frankly I hope he comes back healthy as a Panther and lights the league up.  I just think he may get a better option for himself elsewhere.

That's what I'm saying. They re-build every off season.

With our core, we can win. We just need an owner who can raise hell in the league office when they allow our QB to be targeted and not protected like everybody else.

[t96]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Are you willing to give him an extension?

(that's what it may well take)

If so, how much?

It would not take that at all, it would just take being willing to pay $20M for next year. Cam has no leverage he either plays next year under that deal or doesn’t and doesn’t make a dime or accrue a year towards FA.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, t96 said:

It would not take that at all, it would just take being willing to pay $20M for next year. Cam has no leverage he either plays next year under that deal or doesn’t and doesn’t make a dime or accrue a year towards FA.

If another team is willing to pay him anything in excess of two years, 20 million, then he absolutely has leverage.

Remember back in mid-season, word was there were at least ten teams that wanted him. All it takes is one.