Jim Harbaugh yea or nay???

[beo]

he's been really disappointing with michigan, his brother is great but im not so sure about him anymore. the poo at ann arbor looks really bad, i'd be very whelmed by it. notfurious, not gleaming with happiness, just kind of like, ok i guess. he's a very safe choice, and would probably be ran out of town within a few years giving how antsy this fanbase has gotten due to the recent bout of underachieving. he's been the epitome of that at michigan.

[beo]

13 hours ago, bobowilson said:

I mean Alex Smith was pretty good too, 3 time pro bowler.  Not elite, but pretty good.

But they were more successful with Kap.

And if you think Alex Smith was below average game manager, and Kap was trash, it makes Harbaugh's achievements even more impressive.

I don't know how anyone could not want the guy;  he's by far the best coach on the market.

I doubt he'll come here unless Tepper offers him 20 million a year.

 

smith was pretty below average in sf, his success came with reid and pre-theismann'd washington. again the recent choking habit at michigan has me pretty down on him, wouldn't be the worst option though not by any means i just dont really think he'd be the jesus figure  that he's been hyped as.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, beo said:

he's been really disappointing with michigan, his brother is great but im not so sure about him anymore. the poo at ann arbor looks really bad, i'd be very whelmed by it. notfurious, not gleaming with happiness, just kind of like, ok i guess. he's a very safe choice, and would probably be ran out of town within a few years giving how antsy this fanbase has gotten due to the recent bout of underachieving. he's been the epitome of that at michigan.

Someone didn't read the post two above this from ellis.......

Really disappointing? LMAO

[beo]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Someone didn't read the post two above this from ellis.......

Really disappointing? LMAO

he's choked in every important game he's played in so far, so yeah

[beo]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Someone didn't read the post two above this from ellis.......

Really disappointing? LMAO

to add to what i said, he's 1-9 against top 10 teams at michigan, 1-6 against ranked teams on the road, has been absolutely owned by MSU in his entire tenure, and hasnt made the CFP once. did he turn them around? sure, but he's been consistenly beaten out when it counts there.

[beo]

2 minutes ago, beo said:

to add to what i said, he's 1-9 against top 10 teams at michigan, 1-6 against ranked teams on the road, has been absolutely owned by MSU in his entire tenure, and hasnt made the CFP once. did he turn them around? sure, but he's been consistenly beaten out when it counts there.

forgot to include this, that stat was before the 2018 season, he managed to beat #8 notre dame this year as well but got absolutely bitch smacked by #1 OSU 56-27 and lost to #7 penn state as well, putting his record against top 10 teams at 2-11 now. again, good coach and it'd be cool if we got him but it's very unlikely and he's tenure at michigan, while good, has been marred by underachieving.

[kungfoodude]

Jesus, triggered much?

How about you look at the previous two head coaches before him and then get back to me. The problem is they keep remembering the Lloyd Carr championship in 1997 without realizing something rather obvious....it's the only national championship they have had in the last 69 years. In fact, 2018 was the best shot at a Big Ten title they have had since 2004.

So, his winning percentage over his first 5ish seasons? 73. Lloyd Carr's? 75. How about this, he has a higher winning percentage than Dabo Swinney over his first five seasons. 

Harbaugh is doing fine, the problem is he is dealing with a fanbase that thinks they have a better program than they actually do. 

[beo]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Jesus, triggered much?

How about you look at the previous two head coaches before him and then get back to me. The problem is they keep remembering the Lloyd Carr championship in 1997 without realizing something rather obvious....it's the only national championship they have had in the last 69 years. In fact, 2018 was the best shot at a Big Ten title they have had since 2004.

So, his winning percentage over his first 5ish seasons? 73. Lloyd Carr's? 75. How about this, he has a higher winning percentage than Dabo Swinney over his first five seasons. 

Harbaugh is doing fine, the problem is he is dealing with a fanbase that thinks they have a better program than they actually do. 

im not triggered in the slightest, though starting a response off with a "umad bro? xD" isn't a very good start. i never said harbaugh wasn't doing fine, i said he wasn't this untouchable godmade diety that people in this thread were making him out to be. he'd be a good hire but this idea that he'd be sunshine and rainbows if he's here just isn't true, sorry if it came off as if i was trying to frame him in a mediocre light, not my intention. im simply stating that he's not jesus christ himself, its a reputation he's had since he got forced out by jed york.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, beo said:

im not triggered in the slightest, though starting a response off with a "umad bro? xD" isn't a very good start. i never said harbaugh wasn't doing fine, i said he wasn't this untouchable godmade diety that people in this thread were making him out to be. he'd be a good hire but this idea that he'd be sunshine and rainbows if he's here just isn't true, sorry if it came off as if i was trying to frame him in a mediocre light, not my intention. im simply stating that he's not jesus christ himself, its a reputation he's had since he got forced out by jed york.

The only person throwing out a bunch of nonsense about him being a god is you. The rest of us just like him as a coach that has a pretty good track record as a successful coach in the NFL. Of the retread head coaches, he is easily the best option. 

Doesn't mean he his necessarily a better option than some of the coordinators that have been mentioned but he is also a more proven commodity than him. The biggest question marks would be if he would even be remotely interested and if his extremely intense personality could be something that doesn't allow him complete control, like he wanted in SF. 

If he wants to be the overall final authority, I think he is better suited to sticking with college football.

[beo]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The only person throwing out a bunch of nonsense about him being a god is you. The rest of us just like him as a coach that has a pretty good track record as a successful coach in the NFL. Of the retread head coaches, he is easily the best option. 

Doesn't mean he his necessarily a better option than some of the coordinators that have been mentioned but he is also a more proven commodity than him. The biggest question marks would be if he would even be remotely interested and if his extremely intense personality could be something that doesn't allow him complete control, like he wanted in SF. 

If he wants to be the overall final authority, I think he is better suited to sticking with college football.

there were a few posts in this thread that seemed to imply that the second he got here he was going to turn this team into a sb winner. perhaps i jumped to a conclusion? im not really sure, i can admit when im wrong but it definitely seemed he was getting atleast some over the top praise. regarding the authority thing, there's no way he leaves michigan. i guarantee he wouldn't really consider it till he brings home a national championship. the added power, coaching for your alma matter and probably the longterm goal of a natty would keep him around for a while. the entire premise of this is merely an unlikely hypothetical at the end of the day.

[BudFox]

Harbaugh wouldn't make my top 25 list, but he'd have no problem finding khakis in Charlotte. 

[kungfoodude]

23 minutes ago, beo said:

there were a few posts in this thread that seemed to imply that the second he got here he was going to turn this team into a sb winner. perhaps i jumped to a conclusion? im not really sure, i can admit when im wrong but it definitely seemed he was getting atleast some over the top praise. regarding the authority thing, there's no way he leaves michigan. i guarantee he wouldn't really consider it till he brings home a national championship. the added power, coaching for your alma matter and probably the longterm goal of a natty would keep him around for a while. the entire premise of this is merely an unlikely hypothetical at the end of the day.

You are reading too much into it. Plus all of us would obviously have a much better reaction than some of the names being thrown around. Mike McCarthy? Ugh. Josh McDaniels??? FUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKK NO. 

If you look at Harbaugh's track, if they stick with him they are likely to be in the playoffs and beating Ohio St. I may be vastly underrating Ryan Day.....but....I kind of doubt it. Time will tell.

[beo]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

You are reading too much into it. Plus all of us would obviously have a much better reaction than some of the names being thrown around. Mike McCarthy? Ugh. Josh McDaniels??? FUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKK NO. 

If you look at Harbaugh's track, if they stick with him they are likely to be in the playoffs and beating Ohio St. I may be vastly underrating Ryan Day.....but....I kind of doubt it. Time will tell.

i might be, it's a problem i have sometimes as a person. won't shy from it. i'd actually probably give up caring about this team if we hired mike fuging mccarthy, dude totally wasted rodgers. people like to say ron wasted cam, and while i personally disagree since ron cant control our revolving door of the offensive line (that's all gettleman and hurney), even if you are in that school of thought, he doesn't compare to how mccarthy underachieved with aaron rodgers. mcdaniels is just, not only is he a snake but the denver tenure was a pure mushroom cloud, and there havent been many coaches who were good on their second "chance". bill belicheck was the exception, not the rule.

[Captroop]

Harbaugh is an "exciting" pick, which is what I think the franchise needs, and I think what someone like Tepper would want. Not necessarily saying he's the best match for us, or even the best coach on the market. But I think it would cause a positive stir.

Jim Harbaugh is a big name. In Hollywood terms, he'd be an A-Lister. It would make perfect sense for a small market team like the Carolina Panthers to pick a no-name assistant, or coordinator with a ton of potential and innovative ideas. And he may be the perfect fit, but it's not "exciting." Getting Jim Harbaugh will get us a lot of national attention and energize the fanbase. It may not be the best pick we could have possibly made, but it's a statement. And after a decade of numbing adequacy, I think we need a statement.

At the worst, he's an improvement over Rivera, so it won't be a step back. I'm 100% on-board with it!