Tepper if you do snoop this board, your thoughts on hurney are wrong

[Jmac]

I doubt Tepper cares what people on a keyboard in a football forum think about his football decisions. He would have fired RR no matter what the opinion was on here.

He didn't become a billionaire and business mogul listening to random opinions.

[beo]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

  Every WR

 Every DL except C. Johnson and his 20M cap hit. 
 

Every OL but Kalil. Including an All-Pro RG(3rd) and future All-Pro(udfa) 

Entire secondary besides Norman. 

Shaq

Looks like a majority to me. 

our WR's weren't good that year, it was the weakest unit on our team. trai and norwell ill give you that. our entire secondary besides norman was meh.  shaq didnt really do much until this year. that isnt a majority at all lmao

[Toomers]

9 minutes ago, beo said:

our WR's weren't good that year, it was the weakest unit on our team. trai and norwell ill give you that. our entire secondary besides norman was meh.  shaq didnt really do much until this year. that isnt a majority at all lmao

 All were good enough to go 15-1. And that was after losing our top WR before the season. The secondary was cheap and effective. Had to be since we were eating 15M in dead cap and 15M in lost value in CJs contract. Can only spend what you have. The team goes 15-1 but they weren’t that good now that the facts don’t support that it was a Hurney team. 
 

 2009-12. The only OL drafted in the first 5 rounds was Amini. Gettleman drafted 3 All-Pro OL and Moton in 5 drafts. But who gets blamed for the OL issues? Rather convenient. 

[DeAngelo Beason]

17 hours ago, bobowilson said:

These guys were all acquired with first round picks

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Steve Smith

Greg Olsen 

Kris Jenkins

Josh Norman

Ryan Kalil

Greg Hardy

Evan Mathis (multiple pro bowls)

Charles Johnson

 

WTF are you smoking bro

[beo]

18 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 All were good enough to go 15-1. And that was after losing our top WR before the season. The secondary was cheap and effective. Had to be since we were eating 15M in dead cap and 15M in lost value in CJs contract. Can only spend what you have. The team goes 15-1 but they weren’t that good now that the facts don’t support that it was a Hurney team. 
 

 2009-12. The only OL drafted in the first 5 rounds was Amini. Gettleman drafted 3 All-Pro OL and Moton in 5 drafts. But who gets blamed for the OL issues? Rather convenient. 

daryl williams was a total fluke, i get using his one accolade to support your argument but you cant not admit he wasnt a fluke. our line under gettleman just never gelled. norwell as well besides his allpro year was just fine, but getting him as an UDFA was one of gettleman's absolute best moments so obviously that was a great move sure. and sure they were good "enough", but that was just because we had a phenomenal front 7 and our secondarys only job was to defend and intercept wobbly hurried passes, just like it was in 2013 with the legion of whom. the 2015 panthers overall were probably the worst roster top to bottom of any 15-1 squad. and again, not defending any of hurney's horrible cap decisions, im speaking on him as a drafter not as a cap manager.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, beo said:

daryl williams was a total fluke, i get using his one accolade to support your argument but you cant not admit he wasnt a fluke. our line under gettleman just never gelled. norwell as well besides his allpro year was just fine, but getting him as an UDFA was one of gettleman's absolute best moments so obviously that was a great move sure. and sure they were good "enough", but that was just because we had a phenomenal front 7 and our secondarys only job was to defend and intercept wobbly hurried passes, just like it was in 2013 with the legion of whom. the 2015 panthers overall were probably the worst roster top to bottom of any 15-1 squad. and again, not defending any of hurney's horrible cap decisions, im speaking on him as a drafter not as a cap manager.

Daryl Williams the draft pick played well. DW the injured. FA we put out at LT, was horrible as expected. That’s a FA signing. Now it’s the DL that Hurney had nothing but a negative to do with, that was the difference? And you’re nitpicking All-Pro selections while glossing over that we got nothing to help the OL in the 4 years prior to 2013. And trading a 2013 3rd for Joe Adams when the pick could have been Terron Armstead or Keenen Allen. 

   Now it’s we weren’t a “strong” 15-1 team. As usual, no W-L records or facts allowed in these discussions. 

 

[tiger7_88]

18 hours ago, bobowilson said:

Donte Jackson

Considering his performance this year, I'd wait a bit before you start patting Marty on the back on this one.

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Ian Thomas

Never plays.

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Dennis Daley

Good pick, but shouldn't be a starter.  But for depth?  Good pick.

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Christian Miller

Never plays.

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Marquis Haynes

[tiger7_88]

17 hours ago, bobowilson said:

During his speech, Smith was emotional when talking about his time in Carolina.

Did he punch anybody?

[MasterAwesome]

I don't understand how people reconcile Marty Hurney and Ron Rivera both being terrible.  Either the roster is talented enough to win and we are losing because of poor coaching, or the roster is devoid of talent which is virtually impossible to overcome with any level of coaching.

You would think people are being unreasonable in here if they're saying Hurney is dogshit and sucks at assembling a roster, but also wondering why Rivera doesn't perennially lead us to the playoffs every season.  I agree with those saying that Rivera + Hurney is a bad combination, but it's very likely that one's poor performance is hindering the other's success.  Tepper apparently thinks Hurney was the one being negatively impacted here, and if I had to choose one or the other, I'd agree with that assessment.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

I don't understand how people reconcile Marty Hurney and Ron Rivera both being terrible.  Either the roster is talented enough to win and we are losing because of poor coaching, or the roster is devoid of talent which is virtually impossible to overcome with any level of coaching.

You would think people are being unreasonable in here if they're saying Hurney is dogshit and sucks at assembling a roster, but also wondering why Rivera doesn't perennially lead us to the playoffs every season.  I agree with those saying that Rivera + Hurney is a bad combination, but it's very likely that one's poor performance is hindering the other's success.  Tepper apparently thinks Hurney was the one being negatively impacted here, and if I had to choose one or the other, I'd agree with that assessment.

Maybe because they never produced a winning season together but Rivera did so repeatedly with a different GM?

[The Natural]

David, don't trust the informed opinion of yourself or others who actually have knowledge of the organization from within. Instead you should trust Mr. Rumham who forms his opinion based on ESPN and gut feelings.

[beo]

19 hours ago, Toomers said:

Daryl Williams the draft pick played well. DW the injured. FA we put out at LT, was horrible as expected. That’s a FA signing. Now it’s the DL that Hurney had nothing but a negative to do with, that was the difference? And you’re nitpicking All-Pro selections while glossing over that we got nothing to help the OL in the 4 years prior to 2013. And trading a 2013 3rd for Joe Adams when the pick could have been Terron Armstead or Keenen Allen. 

   Now it’s we weren’t a “strong” 15-1 team. As usual, no W-L records or facts allowed in these discussions. 

 

what the fug are you on about mate, im saying that hurney is a good DRAFTER. im not saying he is a good cap manager, or a good f/a signer, he sucks ass at BOTH of those. im saying that hurney has a good eye for COLLEGE talent, and that he has been good at picking players for us. not ACQUIRING, not SIGNING, not TRADING for, that he is good at DRAFTING them. he trades picks like a dumbass, 100%! but that's not what i'm arguing, im arguing that hwen he's on the clock, he generally makes a good selection

[Toomers]

3 hours ago, beo said:

what the fug are you on about mate, im saying that hurney is a good DRAFTER. im not saying he is a good cap manager, or a good f/a signer, he sucks ass at BOTH of those. im saying that hurney has a good eye for COLLEGE talent, and that he has been good at picking players for us. not ACQUIRING, not SIGNING, not TRADING for, that he is good at DRAFTING them. he trades picks like a dumbass, 100%! but that's not what i'm arguing, im arguing that hwen he's on the clock, he generally makes a good selection

No. You were trying to give Hurney credit for any success after he was gone. And it didn’t go your way at all. 

[Car123]

22 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Considering his performance this year, I'd wait a bit before you start patting Marty on the back on this one.

Never plays.

Good pick, but shouldn't be a starter.  But for depth?  Good pick.

Never plays.

Donte Jackson second year surpasses Bradberry's second year.