Tepper if you do snoop this board, your thoughts on hurney are wrong

[bobowilson]

Panthers fans (and not all Panthers fans, it's more concentrated on this specific forum, in large part due to the Gettleman cultism that developed here), are the only ones who don't recognize that it's impossible to not bust on the vast majority of your mid to late round picks.

Other fan bases (and even other Panthers fans at more reasonable places), understand this.

Gettleman cultists developed a very peculiar belief that it was somehow more valuable to draft fringe role players than Hall of Fame talent.  Failed to understand that every great team that won a Super Bowl was filled with top end talent that contributed to the majority of the success.  Failed to understand you can sign dozens of jag fringe rotational players in free agency for minimum contracts.

Somehow believe we went to the 2015 Super Bowl, not because of our 10 Pro Bowlers that year, but because of Corey Brown and Kurt Coleman.

 

[Harbingers]

2 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

Panthers fans (and not all Panthers fans, it's more concentrated on this specific forum, in large part due to the Gettleman cultism that developed here), are the only ones who don't recognize that it's impossible to not bust on the vast majority of your mid to late round picks.

Other fan bases (and even other Panthers fans at more reasonable places), understand this.

Gettleman cultists developed a very peculiar belief that it was somehow more valuable to draft fringe role players than Hall of Fame talent.  Failed to understand that every great team that won a Super Bowl was filled with top end talent that contributed to the majority of the success.  Failed to understand you can sign dozens of jag fringe rotational players in free agency for minimum contracts.

Somehow believe we went to the 2015 Super Bowl, not because of our 10 Pro Bowlers that year, but because of Corey Brown and Kurt Coleman.

 

You said Hurney builds Super Bowl WINNING teams. How many superb bowls has Hurney won as a GM? 

[rippadonn]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Did he have anything to do with the KK Short restructure? Because that was a classic Hurney 1.0 move.

Nobody knows what a players motivation is going to be AFTER they get paid. KK will be KK again. Hurney paid a Gettleman pick who is still a good player. New coach though so it's all up in the air anyways. The people got their pound of flesh.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Nobody knows what a players motivation is going to be AFTER they get paid. KK will be KK again. Hurney paid a Gettleman pick who is still a good player. New coach though so it's all up in the air anyways. The people got their pound of flesh.

Do you understand what Hurney did with that contract?

[bobowilson]

The great disconnect here is that people keep screeching about our 'lack of success', and can't wrap their minds around the objective reality that Hurney was somewhere between 85-90% responsible for us going 15-1 and going to the Superbowl (with terrible coaches).

I'm sorry that you think Philly Brown and Kurt Coleman were more important than the 10 Pro Bowlers we had that year, including a quarterback who had one of the most dominant seasons of all time (a controversial selection that most thought would be a bust and took tremendous balls to select).

And I'm sorry that you can't understand that our fall from grace after 2015 was mostly due to Cam Newton's declining health, Ron Rivera's ineptitude, and Gettleman drafting poorly and hanging out monster contracts to guys like Kalil and Munnerlyn.

Perhaps it was Hurney's fault for drafting an 'injury prone' QB in Cam Newton, but in reality, the guy would have had a long and durable career if we did anything to protect him.

 

[bobowilson]

For the record, I do not think Hurney is good with free agency.

But he's such a phenomenal drafter, it would have been a tragedy to lose him.

I'm incredibly impressed that Tepper recognized this, given the consensus opinion seems to be quite the opposite, and he is going to create the exact structure to maximize Hurney's talents.

Very confident we will win a Superbowl with this new owner.

 

 

[rippadonn]

As rigged a game as the Clete Blakeman Bowl seemed to be with 1985 rules applied to Cam and Cam only. Philly Brown got a flag while Cam got high lowed with illegal contact to the earhole of his helmet and nothing.

I cannot in my right mind blame Ron Rivera or Marty for the favors given to Denver in that game and the next. Ron will get those flags in Dallas they're obviously old enough to get that call.

[rippadonn]

31 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Do you understand what Hurney did with that contract?

He has to compete $$$ with others to keep the best players. Star was walking, everybody knew it. Imagine not having KK or Star, yeah.

The salary cap is going up not down and you can restructure and franchise. It'll be OK. New Orleans doesn't worry about trivial things like salary cap and they're OK.

 

[rippadonn]

Don't flip out when he pays Vernon Butler.

[LinvilleGorge]

11 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

He has to compete $$$ with others to keep the best players. Star was walking, everybody knew it. Imagine not having KK or Star, yeah.

The salary cap is going up not down and you can restructure and franchise. It'll be OK. New Orleans doesn't worry about trivial things like salary cap and they're OK.

 

KK was originally re-signed by Gettleman. Hurney didn't re-sign him. What Hurney did was classic Hurney. He restructured the contract converting base salary to bonus which creates cap space on the front end by spreading the hit out over the remaining years of the contract but it creates less cap flexibility in the future because that money is now guaranteed and becomes dead cap space if he's released. He saddled us with either a declining player with a huge cap hit or taking a huge hit in dead cap space when we release him.

[Mr. Scot]

Dear Dave, if you snoop our board...

What the hell are you thinking?! Log off before it's too late!

[carpanfan96]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You're only focused on a few jewels. You miss out on the fact that Hurney is an atrocious 2nd - 4th round drafter and that's where you have to build the meat of your roster.  Constantly swinging for the fences while whiffing left and right but being proud of a handful of homeruns is fool's gold.

50% of first round picks are considered successful selections, roughly half never play 3 years. 2nd round it's in the 30-40% range and after that your in the 10-20% range through the 3rd and 4th rounds. So in a typical draft a team will typically find 1-2 long term starters in a good draft. That's a good draft, most teams consider it good fortune to land 1-2 long term players. It's why the patriots build up 2nd and 3rd round selections.  Cheap and it's like throwing mud on a wall and seeing what sticks, having more throws makes it more likely you find something to stick. Nearly every gm is historically horrible from rounds 2-7, it's just the odds. 

[Squirrel]

3 hours ago, rippadonn said:

None of you guys know Marty Hurney. David Tepper does.

Marty was evaluated just like Ron. He made the cut.

Stop the crying. You got blood.

Let's see after the draft if Hurney is still here. 

[rippadonn]

23 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Let's see after the draft if Hurney is still here. 

Ok...