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Tepper if you do snoop this board, your thoughts on hurney are wrong

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7 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

 

I wonder if Cam Newton's health and Dave Gettleman's inability to surround him with any protection had anything to do with this (or the fact Mike Shula was his offensive coordinator).

Hurney, quite easily, produced rosters that were good enough to consistently win (not just win, win Superbowls).  Everything else in our organization was a mess, from coaching, to Dave Gettleman's mediocre to terrible drafts, to Jerry Richardson's meddling

And despite all this, he constructed rosters that took us to the brink of winning 2 Super Bowls

So, Hurney's last two failure seasons are all Gettleman's fault and the previous eleven which also combine for a losing overall record are due to RJ?

Wow.

 

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2 minutes ago, ncfan said:

 

2.  Who Reallllly gets the credit for Norman?  Yes, Hurney did draft him.  But does Rivera and Sean McDermott get the credit here?   He had 2 good years here.  Then once gone and in another system, he's been trash.

 

3.  Pretty sure its know that Marty, while on the staff, didn't draft Smitty.

Josh Norman had 4-5 excellent seasons.  He was really good his first year with the Redskins, just got old for a cornerback.  He showed flashes of how good he was when he was young, but we were too stubborn to give him a chance.

And yes Marty did draft Smitty, you might want to ask Steve Smith himself.  Everyone knows Hurney ran the 2001 draft.

During his speech, Smith was emotional when talking about his time in Carolina. He ended by taking off his blazer and shirt which had his Super Bowl 38 No. 89 jersey underneath.

“I’d like to thank Mr. (Jerry) Richardson and Marty Hurney for drafting me and Mr. (David) Tepper for bringing me back,” Smith said during his induction speech

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4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

So, Hurney's last two failure seasons are all Gettleman's fault and the previous eleven which also combine for a losing overall record are due to RJ?

Wow.

 

We were 6-2 last year before Newton got hurt.

Not everyone is the Pittsburgh Steelers.  9 out of 10 times, if your franchise quarterback gets injured, your season is tanked.  And if you want to say we should have gotten a better backup quarterback, weren't many options better than Kyle Allen.  There's probably dozens of teams that wish they knew to sign Tannehill.

In the salary cap era, you don't have space for two elite quarterbacks.

Sorry Cam got hurt, but it doesn't reflect on Hurney's roster construction.  

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19 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

It's funny, even in Hurney's worst drafts used to discredit him, he still chose multiple Hall of Famers and Pro Bowlers

Now here are two consecutive Patriots drafts (greatest franchise in sports history, in not only did they not come away with great players, they didn't even get any good depth.

Brandon Meriweather and a kicker are the only two players in these consecutive drafts who did anything for the Patriots.  The rest were busts.  You guys just don't understand the odds with drafts I guess.

ear Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2007 1 Brandon Meriweather 24 DB 2015 0 2 6 33 112                       17 6.0 Miami (FL)
2007 4 Kareem Brown 127 DT 2007 0 0 0 0 1                           Miami (FL)
2007 5 Clint Oldenburg 171 T 2007 0 0 0 0 2                           Colorado St.
2007 6 Justin Rogers 180 LB 2009 0 0 0 2 32                           SMU
2007 6 Mike Richardson 202 DB 2010 0 0 0 2 22                           Notre Dame
2007 6 Justise Hairston 208 RB   0 0 0                               Central Connecticut St.
2007 6 Corey Hilliard 209 T 2014 0 0 0 9 47                           Oklahoma St.
2007 7 Oscar Lua 211 LB   0 0 0                               USC
2007 7 Mike Elgin 247 G   0 0 0                               Iowa
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2006 1 Laurence Maroney 21 RB 2010 0 0 0 26 49           618 2504 21 44 459 1     Minnesota
2006 2 Chad Jackson 36 WR 2008 0 0 0 2 18           4 22 0 14 171 3     Florida
2006 3 David Thomas 86 TE 2012 0 0 2 9 80                 102 938 8     Texas
2006 4 Garrett Mills 106 FB 2010 0 0 0 1 16                 9 110 0     Tulsa
2006 4 Stephen Gostkowski 118 K 2019 2 4 14 36 204                           Memphis
2006 5 Ryan O'Callaghan 136 T 2010 0 0 1 12 51                           California
2006 6 Jeremy Mincey 191 DE 2015 0 0 4 30 96                       1 26.0 Florida
2006 6 Dan Stevenson 205 G   0 0 0                               Notre Dame
2006 6 Le Kevin Smith 206 DT 2010 0 0 0 2 45                         1.0 Nebraska
2006 7 Willie Andrews 229 DB 2007 0 0 0 3 30                           Baylor

Again, for the umpteenth time. The goal of an NFL GM is not to draft the occasional HOFer in a sea of non-NFL talents. The goal of an NFL GM is to build a roster that can consistently win in the NFL. He's been unable to do that over the course of 13 NFL seasons.

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5 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

Josh Norman had 4-5 excellent seasons.  He was really good his first year with the Redskins, just got old for a cornerback.  He showed flashes of how good he was when he was young, but we were too stubborn to give him a chance.

And yes Marty did draft Smitty, you might want to ask Steve Smith himself.  Everyone knows Hurney ran the 2001 draft.

During his speech, Smith was emotional when talking about his time in Carolina. He ended by taking off his blazer and shirt which had his Super Bowl 38 No. 89 jersey underneath.

“I’d like to thank Mr. (Jerry) Richardson and Marty Hurney for drafting me and Mr. (David) Tepper for bringing me back,” Smith said during his induction speech

Damn, didn't think he drafted Smitty.

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Again, for the umpteenth time. The goal of an NFL GM is not to draft the occasional HOFer in a sea of non-NFL talents. The goal of an NFL GM is to build a roster that can consistently win in the NFL. He's been unable to do that over the course of 13 NFL seasons.

Two words....

 

Jerry Richardson.

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Again, for the umpteenth time. The goal of an NFL GM is not to draft the occasional HOFer in a sea of non-NFL talents. The goal of an NFL GM is to build a roster that can consistently win in the NFL. He's been unable to do that over the course of 13 NFL seasons.

Ok by that standard, the Patriots are terrible at drafting

And literally every team in the NFL

Because if you want to look at a decade of drafts for any manager, and not find the majority of them are a 'sea of non NFL talents', you'll be looking forever

 

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3 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

Ok by that standard, the Patriots are terrible at drafting

And literally every team in the NFL

Because if you want to look at a decade of drafts for any manager, and not find the majority of them are a 'sea of non NFL talents', you'll be looking forever

 

You're still stuck on drafting. Did you read the post you quoted? The job is to build a consistent winner and there's multiple ways to do it. No one has done that better than the Patriots. 

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7 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

We were 6-2 last year before Newton got hurt.

Not everyone is the Pittsburgh Steelers.  9 out of 10 times, if your franchise quarterback gets injured, your season is tanked.  And if you want to say we should have gotten a better backup quarterback, weren't many options better than Kyle Allen.  There's probably dozens of teams that wish they knew to sign Tannehill.

In the salary cap era, you don't have space for two elite quarterbacks.

Sorry Cam got hurt, but it doesn't reflect on Hurney's roster construction.  

Nor does the Jeff Otah pick. Dude was a beast on the field. Just imagine if he could've given us 7-8 years.

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