Tepper if you do snoop this board, your thoughts on hurney are wrong

[Toomers]

13 minutes ago, beo said:

50 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 

you're so full of poo its hilarious, first off when did i say that? either you took something the wrong way or you're intentionally trying to stretch it to fit your mental gymnastics. i never said that he didnt have a defensive player on the team. you're making stuff up to fit your pathetic attempt at making me look bad. i even said that star and short were both gettleman  earlier in the post. thompson was also gettleman, the entire secondary besides norman was gettleman. a lot of that deep defensive line rotation was as well was gettleman. offensively ginn, cotchery, i believe brown, jared allen even though he was really washed up, tillman, etc. what im saying is that the  C O R E  of the 2015 team were mostly  brought in by hurney. gettleman essentially fixed all of hurneys fug ups, but that doesnt change that hurney still drafted a shitton of talented players. there were 10 probowlers on the 2015 team (a league high): thomas davis, ryan kalil, luke kuechly, cam newton,  josh norman, greg olsen, kawann short, jonathan stewart, mike tolbert, and trai turner.

the only players of that group not picked or acquired by hurney are turner and short. i didnt argue that hurney was a good cap manager, or a good gm in general. i am saying that hurney is good at drafting, which he statistically is. if you take a look at a volley of different articles on it, you can see this for yourself. an article wrote by bleacher report in 2013 (around when hurney was canned) which was studied in a timespan from 2002-2012 which is basically hurney's tenure here prior to the second chance showed that we were the 12th best drafting team in the league

  Ok. Let’s go to the tape. 
 

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.what swing? you're desperately trying to prove me wrong, nitpicking small details to try to frame my argument as being invalid. name a player on the 2015 team that was a gettleman pick, or free agency signing. i beg you. coleman? the guy who just benefited off of being able to play centerfielder and was one of the worst starting safeties in the league later in his tenure here? star and short were hits, but almost all of that 2015 team was a product of a hurney transaction or draft pick

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Then this..same page

daryl williams was a total fluke, i get using his one accolade to support your argument but you cant not admit he wasnt a fluke. our line under gettleman just never gelled. norwell as well besides his allpro year was just fine, but getting him as an UDFA was one of gettleman's absolute best moments so obviously that was a great move sure. and sure they were good "enough", but that was just because we had a phenomenal front 7 and our secondarys only job was to defend and intercept wobbly hurried passes, just like it was in 2013 with the legion of whom. the 2015 panthers overall were probably the worst roster top to bottom of any 15-1 squad. and again, not defending any of hurney's horrible cap decisions, im speaking on him as a drafter not as a cap manager.

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....now onto the hypocrisy......

the egotism is something else, i can smell the cheeto crust lmao. you never really directly addressed any of my points, you just danced around them and twisted my words into stuff i didnt mean. i said that hurney was a good drafter and that most of the core in our peak (2013-2015) was built by hurney, that is TRUE. the examples you brought up that gettleman "built" were all below average aspects of the team. did he do decent given the cap situation? sure he did. i didnt say he didnt. what i did say is that hurney was a good talent evaluator, which he is. i wasnt making up rules, i was going off of the OPs criteria of our PEAK THIS DECADE, which was from 2013-2015. that isnt a "made up rule" as you tried to frame it, that's you reaching for somethign to call me out on. again, i acknolwedged hurney was a bad cap manager, but i said that he was a good talent evaulator, and that he drafted most of the core that this team peaked wit
 

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  Would you care to explain how going from going from phenomenal to below average isn’t a hypocrisy meant to further your point. 
 

Don’t care about anything else. Never said I was.  But you seem to keep deflecting to it. I don’t blame you. You’re so triggered right now you have no clue what you’re saying. The more you post, the more ammo I get. This is too easy. 

[beo]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

  Ok. Let’s go to the tape. 
 

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.what swing? you're desperately trying to prove me wrong, nitpicking small details to try to frame my argument as being invalid. name a player on the 2015 team that was a gettleman pick, or free agency signing. i beg you. coleman? the guy who just benefited off of being able to play centerfielder and was one of the worst starting safeties in the league later in his tenure here? star and short were hits, but almost all of that 2015 team was a product of a hurney transaction or draft pick

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Then this..same page

daryl williams was a total fluke, i get using his one accolade to support your argument but you cant not admit he wasnt a fluke. our line under gettleman just never gelled. norwell as well besides his allpro year was just fine, but getting him as an UDFA was one of gettleman's absolute best moments so obviously that was a great move sure. and sure they were good "enough", but that was just because we had a phenomenal front 7 and our secondarys only job was to defend and intercept wobbly hurried passes, just like it was in 2013 with the legion of whom. the 2015 panthers overall were probably the worst roster top to bottom of any 15-1 squad. and again, not defending any of hurney's horrible cap decisions, im speaking on him as a drafter not as a cap manager.

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....now onto the hypocrisy......

the egotism is something else, i can smell the cheeto crust lmao. you never really directly addressed any of my points, you just danced around them and twisted my words into stuff i didnt mean. i said that hurney was a good drafter and that most of the core in our peak (2013-2015) was built by hurney, that is TRUE. the examples you brought up that gettleman "built" were all below average aspects of the team. did he do decent given the cap situation? sure he did. i didnt say he didnt. what i did say is that hurney was a good talent evaluator, which he is. i wasnt making up rules, i was going off of the OPs criteria of our PEAK THIS DECADE, which was from 2013-2015. that isnt a "made up rule" as you tried to frame it, that's you reaching for somethign to call me out on. again, i acknolwedged hurney was a bad cap manager, but i said that he was a good talent evaulator, and that he drafted most of the core that this team peaked wit
 

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  Would you care to explain how going from going from phenomenal to below average isn’t a hypocrisy meant to further your point. 
 

Don’t care about anything else. Never said I was.  But you seem to keep deflecting to it. I don’t blame you. You’re so triggered right now you have no clue what you’re saying. The more you post, the more ammo I get. This is too easy. 

im not triggered, my friend. my fault on the wording of the first line you highlighted though, i was trying to say name a relevant or core player who was a gettleman pick or signing, which there were a few of admiteddly, so sure i was wrong there, but my core point isnt really related to how gettleman did anyway. also i fail to see how what i said in the last post there was wrong, i said that most (keyword is most) of our core specifically was built by hurney. i even said that gettleman did an ok job of builiding given how hurndog fuged up the cap. it seems there was just a bit of an understanding issue, my point is that gettleman was a decent teambuilder and did pretty good with the ruined cap that hurney left behind, but that hurney was a good drafter and that he picked most of the core probowlers on the team in our peak this decade, and i was using some of his draft picks as evidence that he was a "pretty good talent evaulator" as said by tepper.

[Shocker]

So bring back the Gettlefather amaright 

[Toomers]

9 minutes ago, beo said:

im not triggered, my friend. my fault on the wording of the first line you highlighted though, i was trying to say name a relevant or core player who was a gettleman pick or signing, which there were a few of admiteddly, so sure i was wrong there, but my core point isnt really related to how gettleman did anyway. also i fail to see how what i said in the last post there was wrong, i said that most (keyword is most) of our core specifically was built by hurney. i even said that gettleman did an ok job of builiding given how hurndog fuged up the cap. it seems there was just a bit of an understanding issue, my point is that gettleman was a decent teambuilder and did pretty good with the ruined cap that hurney left behind, but that hurney was a good drafter and that he picked most of the core probowlers on the team in our peak this decade, and i was using some of his draft picks as evidence that he was a "pretty good talent evaulator" as said by tepper.

I’m not your friend. And if you can’t understand how you calling a unit phenomenal in one post,, and below average in the next somehow isn’t hypocritical? Explain that. You’re making it clear you don’t know what you’re posting at any given time. 
 

    You want all the numbers or would you like to continue being full of poo. 

[beo]

16 minutes ago, Toomers said:

I’m not your friend. And if you can’t understand how you calling a unit phenomenal in one post,, and below average in the next somehow isn’t hypocritical? Explain that. You’re making it clear you don’t know what you’re posting at any given time. 
 

    You want all the numbers or would you like to continue being full of poo. 

man you call me triggered but you're acting so hostile on an internet forum. calm down bro. also i was calling the secondary below average, i never called them phenomenal. i called the front 7 phenomenal. i said the secondary which was below average was benefiting off the front 7 hurrying and tipping passes. that's why the legion of whom in 13 was suprisingly good statistically but if you actually watched that team you knew it was the front doing most of the work and hiding the secondary's deficiencies. i think 2015 was the same story just to a lesser extent than 13 was because our secondary was better that year since one of hurney's picks emerged into a superstar that year.

[Toomers]

8 minutes ago, beo said:

man you call me triggered but you're acting so hostile on an internet forum. calm down bro. also i was calling the secondary below average, i never called them phenomenal. i called the front 7 phenomenal. i said the secondary which was below average was benefiting off the front 7 hurrying and tipping passes. that's why the legion of whom in 13 was suprisingly good statistically but if you actually watched that team you knew it was the front doing most of the work and hiding the secondary's deficiencies. i think 2015 was the same story just to a lesser extent than 13 was because our secondary was better that year since one of hurney's picks emerged into a superstar that year.

   No. I’m fine. Just don’t care for hypocrisy. And then acting like you can’t read exactly what you wrote. 

TRUE. the examples you brought up that gettleman "built" were all below average aspects of the team

ALL BELOW AVERAGE!!!!!! That’s you!!!!!

After you stayed....

and sure they were good "enough", but that was just because we had a phenomenal front 7 and our secondarys only job was to defend and intercept wobbly hurried passes, just like it was in 2013 with the legion of who

 If 2013 and 2015 were the same, who built those front 7s. So the DL was below average but  the front 7 was phenomenal at getting pressure. Even though we hardly ever blitzed. Sure. Go with that. Maybe we can include DJ Moore’s HS stats since you had him on there too. 
 

 

 

[RumHam]

Ill restate, hurney can nail safe picks. Although DJ is still not certain. Whenever he gets happy feet starts fuging trading for trash, major problem.

[beo]

 

9 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   No. I’m fine. Just don’t care for hypocrisy. And then acting like you can’t read exactly what you wrote. 

TRUE. the examples you brought up that gettleman "built" were all below average aspects of the team

ALL BELOW AVERAGE!!!!!! That’s you!!!!!

After you stayed....

and sure they were good "enough", but that was just because we had a phenomenal front 7 and our secondarys only job was to defend and intercept wobbly hurried passes, just like it was in 2013 with the legion of who

 If 2013 and 2015 were the same, who built those front 7s. So the DL was below average but  the front 7 was phenomenal at getting pressure. Even though we hardly ever blitzed. Sure. Go with that. Maybe we can include DJ Moore’s HS stats since you had him on there too. 
 

 

 

when i said what he built i meant areas of the team that he heavily overhauled like our secondary. also, you don't have to blitz to get pressure do you? also 2013 and 2015 weren't the same, and i didnt say the DL was below average, it was quite above average with the best LB core in the league to go along with it. the front 7 was quite split. CJ declined from 13 to 15, but in 13 he was still a pretty elite DE. i was referring more to 13 than anything admiteddly, if we look at 15 that team was definitely more a product of gettleman, our defensive line rotation that year was great too and he did a good job builidng up our line. so no,  i shouldnt have said that every aspect built by gettleman was below average. you're right on that front. but that isn't really what the point of my post was, i was again just saying hurney was a good evalulator and drafter and that a lot of the probowlers and core of our team were built or drafted by hurney. also moore was just an example of a good draft pick he's made in recent years

[beo]

1 minute ago, RumHam said:

Ill restate, hurney can nail safe picks. Although DJ is still not certain. Whenever he gets happy feet starts fuging trading for trash, major problem.

he's had a few pretty good late round picks too but yeah i don't think that last part's debatable LMAO dude makes some of the worst draft day trades ever

[RumHam]

8 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   No. I’m fine. Just don’t care for hypocrisy. And then acting like you can’t read exactly what you wrote. 

TRUE. the examples you brought up that gettleman "built" were all below average aspects of the team

ALL BELOW AVERAGE!!!!!! That’s you!!!!!

After you stayed....

and sure they were good "enough", but that was just because we had a phenomenal front 7 and our secondarys only job was to defend and intercept wobbly hurried passes, just like it was in 2013 with the legion of who

 If 2013 and 2015 were the same, who built those front 7s. So the DL was below average but  the front 7 was phenomenal at getting pressure. Even though we hardly ever blitzed. Sure. Go with that. Maybe we can include DJ Moore’s HS stats since you had him on there too. 
 

 

 

Gettleman drafted shaq, star and short. Oh and norman oh and the beloved bradberry who pff loves but still. Hurney took the best LB in a draft at 11. He took cam because it was obvious. Our line is poo. Never addressed. Tried to sell little as a first rounder same with grier like hes some draft whisperer. Pretty sure this years draft, those players haven't seen the field half the time. Is that on Ron? Maybe that's why he's gone. Jackson has also proven to be poo. He was drafted to be a nickel corner but since nomrod hurney never addressed a solid outside corner, he tried to sell everyone on jackson being a superstar. Curtis was great in camp bc he kept burning jackson. Now jackson runs his mouth. Yeah hurney is a real bill polian ain't he. Fire him.

[Jared Patterson]

Jackson could be solid next year if we add Logan Ryan and keep Bradberry. Can we afford this though?

[Toomers]

30 minutes ago, beo said:

 

when i said what he built i meant areas of the team that he heavily overhauled like our secondary. also, you don't have to blitz to get pressure do you? also 2013 and 2015 weren't the same, and i didnt say the DL was below average, it was quite above average with the best LB core in the league to go along with it. the front 7 was quite split. CJ declined from 13 to 15, but in 13 he was still a pretty elite DE. i was referring more to 13 than anything admiteddly, if we look at 15 that team was definitely more a product of gettleman, our defensive line rotation that year was great too and he did a good job builidng up our line. so no,  i shouldnt have said that every aspect built by gettleman was below average. you're right on that front. but that isn't really what the point of my post was, i was again just saying hurney was a good evalulator and drafter and that a lot of the probowlers and core of our team were built or drafted by hurney. also moore was just an example of a good draft pick he's made in recent years

  You said ALL UNITS? Correct? Like the entire DL except the guy With the 20M cap hit he couldn’t get rid of? That unit? The one that is below average until they are part of phenomenal. Before it was name a player Gettleman squired? You brought up Coleman? Where was he on 2013? Just change whatever your story is or go back to your old alt. 
 

Or here’s an idea. Post what you mean instead of hurrying to post a bunch of BS. 

[beo]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

  You said ALL UNITS? Correct? Like the entire DL except the guy With the 20M cap hit he couldn’t get rid of? That unit? The one that is below average until they are part of phenomenal. Before it was name a player Gettleman squired? You brought up Coleman? Where was he on 2013? Just change whatever your story is or go back to your old alt. 
 

Or here’s an idea. Post what you mean instead of hurrying to post a bunch of BS. 

resorting to insults just makes you look wrong tbh, but sure ill go back to one of my 0 assorted alt accounts. also i was saying that you could maybe count coleman as being good but im still not sure on that one, and that coleman and norman were way better than the 2013 secondary at the least. again im not sure why you nitpicked a minor instance of hypocrisy when that wasnt the point of what i said originally anyway, and why you're taking it so seriously, but it's cool dude. just a minor fugup on my end that doesn't change the point of what i said about hurney being a good drafter.

[Toomers]

8 minutes ago, beo said:

resorting to insults just makes you look wrong tbh, but sure ill go back to one of my 0 assorted alt accounts. also i was saying that you could maybe count coleman as being good but im still not sure on that one, and that coleman and norman were way better than the 2013 secondary at the least. again im not sure why you nitpicked a minor instance of hypocrisy when that wasnt the point of what i said originally anyway, and why you're taking it so seriously, but it's cool dude. just a minor fugup on my end that doesn't change the point of what i said about hurney being a good drafter.

Minor hypocrisy? What level should be acceptable to understand what you want to say?  I questioned your strange list from the beginning. Still haven’t explained why DJ Moore was on it. Every post you made had something wrong or something you contradicted later. So don’t blame others when even you don’t know what you’re trying to say.