"Marty Hurney is one of the best recognizers of college talent in the nation. Period." A deeper dive

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Shocker said:

I thought that Cookie chick was the only girl on here.  Ok then.

Actually I'm pretty sure a couple of our more recent posters are female, but I wouldn't out them 

[billionairemonk]

1 hour ago, Cracka McNasty said:

We need to find our Cal Ripken Jr.

most counter-productive record in sports history.  hard pass.

tony gwynn consistency is what we need.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Agreed, some of his takes are pretty out there.  Trying to find out who he is so I can decide to continue to laugh, or put him on ignore.

I'd like to believe he's trolling. Otherwise, holy cow 

[SmartyHurney]

Wait, did you not account for trade ups and traded picks? Hurney, while being assigned the reputation, didn't trade up often. Gettleman traded up so much the Panthers had the fewest picks in the draft. I think you need to account for Gettleman's trade ups as well as trade ups in the league. Under Hurney we had more picks than the league average actually, and it's from not getting too trade up crazy.

[KillerBill]

Lg	Job Title	W	L	T	W-L%	W plyf	L plyf	Playoff Result
	Total		14 Years	102	118	0		5	3
	Carolina Panthers		1998-2019	102	118	0		5	3
1998	Carolina Panthers	NFL	Director of Player Operations	4	12	0	.250	0	0
2002	Carolina Panthers	NFL	General Manager	7	9	0	.438	0	0
2003	Carolina Panthers	NFL	General Manager	11	5	0	.688	3	1	Lost SB
2004	Carolina Panthers	NFL	General Manager	7	9	0	.438	0	0
2005	Carolina Panthers	NFL	General Manager	11	5	0	.688	2	1	Lost Conf
2006	Carolina Panthers	NFL	General Manager	8	8	0	.500	0	0
2007	Carolina Panthers	NFL	General Manager	7	9	0	.438	0	0
2008	Carolina Panthers	NFL	General Manager	12	4	0	.750	0	1	Lost Div
2009	Carolina Panthers	NFL	General Manager	8	8	0	.500	0	0
2010	Carolina Panthers	NFL	General Manager	2	14	0	.125	0	0
2011	Carolina Panthers	NFL	General Manager	6	10	0	.375	0	0
2012	Carolina Panthers	NFL	General Manager	7	9	0	.438	0	0
2018	Carolina Panthers	NFL	General Manager	7	9	0	.438
2019	Carolina Panthers	NFL	General Manager	5	7	0	.417

Ball don't lie!

 

[KB_fan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Where'd KB Fan when you need her? 

Busy with a big report due tomorrow...

Spent too much time on Twitter yesterday. Paying for it today!

[KillerBill]

1 winning season out of his last nine.  People still think he is a winner.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, KB_fan said:

Busy with a big report due tomorrow...

Spent too much time on Twitter yesterday. Paying for it today!

Shameful. You'd never catch me doing something like that 

[Ricky Spanish]

16 minutes ago, billionairemonk said:

most counter-productive record in sports history.  hard pass.

tony gwynn consistency is what we need.

Wanted the analogy to be a model of consistency with considerable Pop who also won a championship.

Gwynn was dope though.

[billionairemonk]

Just now, Cracka McNasty said:

Wanted the analogy to be a model of consistency with considerable Pop who also won a championship.

Gwynn was dope though.

i know what you were getting at, was just messing' with ya.  another excellent, OP btw

[panther4life]

17 minutes ago, KillerBill said:

1 winning season out of his last nine.  People still think he is a winner.

The cold hard facts of the record with him as GM is very damning. No denying that 1 bit.

However if you sprinkle in some objectivity you can see why some think the coaching and JR meddling hurt him as well. I think it’s fair to say he’s constructed good rosters over his time here and the talent he assembled should have produced better results. Fact is they didn’t. But Tepper must see something in him to not give him the boot along with Rivera. 
 

So if you want to see what Tepper sees in him, you have to be willing to look at the total picture. How many games were losses could have been wins if it wasn’t for critical coaching errors? How would this season have played out if Cam was healthy for the whole year? 
 

John Fox and Rivera lost us an extreme amount of very winnable games. We’ve lost to more inferior rosters than we have won against superior rosters under Hurneys tenure. 

If I had the time I’d love to see how many games were lost by a TD or less with Hurney at the helm. A a lot of those games we surely can contribute bad coaching to the reason we lost those games vs lack of talent.

[onmyown]

listen guys, if we take out Hurney’s worst drafting seasons and ignore his w/l record he’s actually really good

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, panther4life said:

The cold hard facts of the record with him as GM is very damning. No denying that 1 bit.

However if you sprinkle in some objectivity you can see why some think the coaching and JR meddling hurt him as well. I think it’s fair to say he’s constructed good rosters over his time here and the talent he assembled should have produced better results. Fact is they didn’t. But Tepper must see something in him to not give him the boot Rivera. 
 

So if you want to see what Tepper sees in him, you have to be willing to look at the total picture. How many games were losses could have been wins if it wasn’t for critical coaching errors? How would this season have played out if Cam was healthy for the whole year? 
 

John Fox and Rivera lost us an extreme amount of very winnable games. We’ve lost to more inferior rosters than we have won against superior rosters under Hurneys tenure. 

If I had the time I’d love to see how many games were lost by a TD or less with Hurney at the helm. A a lot of those games we surely can contribute bad coaching to the reason we lost those games vs lack of talent.

It is probably going to be hard to isolate coaching issues from the GM issues, IMO. That is why I am generally a little skeptical of putting too much stock in the "GM W/L" records.

I think free agency, draft and contracts are more a success benchmark for a GM. That's my personal take.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, onmyown said:

listen guys, if we take out Hurney’s worst drafting seasons he’s actually really good

Yeah, I've seen my fair share of "expanded logic".

Bottom line for me: If I've gotta work hard to see where somebody is good, they're not good.