Hurney isn't going to be demoted or limited to college scouting

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd say the whole "let's not give him that kind of compliment" was his mouth running away from him.

When he realized he'd said something in public that he probably should have kept private, I'm guessing that's when the video was deep-sixed

Or he felt it didn't exactly convey what he meant. But let's assume he meant it and revealed something in public he should have kept private. Again you see the negative and I see the positive. 

[Car123]

38 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

What happened to your insistence that Tepper never said he was "not a bad" GM?

Marty may be keeping the title of GM right now, but I think that's about the only thing that staying the same

 

You're in stage 1.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, panthers55 said:

Or he felt it didn't exactly convey what he meant. But let's assume he meant it and revealed something in public he should have kept private. Again you see the negative and I see the positive. 

You see what you want to see.

The vast majority of us who've reading what was said see the writing on the wall. Marty's days as a full power GM are coming to an end.

You're doing everything you can to deny it.

[Krovvy]

So, pretty much what I stated I wanted for the last few months.

Hurney magic in parts of the draft with young blood (hopefully) being brought in for the future.

[MasterAwesome]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Tepper isn't an idiot. If he wants to find a role to keep Hurney on board he's not going to fire him or trash him in the media. It doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be the GM going forward.

Calm down. It's possible to have a conversation without being constantly combative and abrasive.

He’s actually one of the few people on these boards who is able to present a dissenting opinion without being combative and abrasive.

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You see what you want to see.

The vast majority of us who've reading what was said see the writing on the wall. Marty's days as a full power GM are coming to an end.

You're doing everything you can to deny it.

Another extreme characterization  No one said Hurney should be a one man show or in full power.  Everyone knows it is a collaboration and Hurney will be one of several folks sharing the GM job. No one is arguing he should be in full control. But at this point he is still the GM until all these folks are hired. Even in the past Hurney had Beane to help out. Who said anything about full control??? Again you are saying things no one is arguing.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Another extreme characterization  No one said Hurney should be a one man show or in full power.  Everyone knows it is a collaboration and Hurney will be one of several folks sharing the GM job. No one is arguing he should be in full control. But at this point he is still the GM until all these folks are hired. Even in the past Hurney had Beane to help out. Who said anything about full control??? Again you are saying things no one is arguing.

What about what this guy said?

"You can post all the articles you want trying to whip up theories about limiting Hurney but the official site which is controlled by Tepper and the Panthers debunks the notion that Hurney isn't doing a good job and that his role will be limited."

[panther4life]

I don’t see how anyone could draw any major conclusion that’s definite about Hurney’s future.

My opinion is that he clearly respects Hurney as a talent evaluator. He spelled that much out. He did not give him quite the ringing endorsement otherwise nor do I think he inferred or intended to infer he’s not capable of being the GM of the team that Tepper wants to build. 

I do think it’s fair to say he wants to surround Marty with more help and further evaluate things. This seems to be a very fluid situation. Anything is possible at this point but nothing is definite.  It also sounds like Marty is part of the plan for the immediate future in some capacity and until further notice he will retain his powers as GM.

I do feel that the final say on the next Head Coach will come from Tepper. Hurney May have as little as 0 involvement in selecting the next head coach. To me that does not differ a ton from the last 2 coaching hires under Richardson. I feel Hurney led the search in finding Fox and Rivera but didn’t have carte Blanche authority in saying who the coach would be.

Hurney’s power as GM has been limited in both stints. I think that much remains the same with Tepper. How will his authority change moving forward?  That is the question that none of us have any real insight into at this point. We can make assumptions based on our own opinions and that’s fine. Opinions are just that, not black and white facts. Playing the whole hypothetical game gives us things to ponder and discuss but reality is, I don’t believe any of us possess the knowledge to know what Tepper will do moving forward.
 

 

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

What about what this guy said?

"You can post all the articles you want trying to whip up theories about limiting Hurney but the official site which is controlled by Tepper and the Panthers debunks the notion that Hurney isn't doing a good job and that his role will be limited."

Obviously you are wanting a fight. Again I don't see having folks who help share the load as liniting or taking away power. Then again I like collaboration and working together doing what each does best. Only folks who like power or want to be in complete control would see what Tepper is suggesting as limiting or indicating Hurney isn't doing a good job. After who does everything the best and can't use help. 

 

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Obviously you are wanting a fight. Again I don't see having folks who help share the load as liniting or taking away power. Then again I like collaboration and working together doing what each does best. Only folks who like power or want to be in complete control would see what Tepper is suggesting as limiting or indicating Hurney isn't doing a good job. After who does everything the best and can't use help. 

 

When you have the final say, you are in the highest level of power.

When you don't have the final say, you are not at the highest level of power.

Marty had the final say, now it's very likely that he will not.  Now weather you take that as a demotion or not, that's essentially what it is.

Marty was the king, now he's a part of the governing body.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Obviously you are wanting a fight. Again I don't see having folks who help share the load as liniting or taking away power. Then again I like collaboration and working together doing what each does best. Only folks who like power or want to be in complete control would see what Tepper is suggesting as limiting or indicating Hurney isn't doing a good job. After who does everything the best and can't use help. 

Obviously I'm wanting a fight? Wow.

What I actually did was just point out that you were contradicting yourself. Now you're trying to spin it.

[SetfreexX]

4 hours ago, PhillyB said:

well he also said there'd be no mid-season changes at head coach soooooo

Not a ''mid'' season change. 

[panthers55]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Obviously I'm wanting a fight? Wow.

What I actually did was just point out that you were contradicting yourself. Now you're trying to spin it.

Ok if you say so..

[Mr. Scot]

We now have pretty solid confirmation that the Panthers have had interest in Nick Caserio.

Anybody think a guy like Caserio would come here just to be somebody's assistant?