Can we rebuild quickly without the 20 million cap savings?

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Bronn said:

He's publicly said that he wants to remain here.

I have a pretty good hunch that, despite public appearances, Cam was pretty discontent with Ron, Norv, and a lot of things going on inside the organization. I may be off a little, but not far IDT.

Cam is a competitor that will want to prove his value to his haters. He's also a team guy, despite what people will make of certain things.

Tepper isn't dumb. He realizes that Cam is our franchise QB. He also realizes that he and the Panthers hold a lot of leverage right now contractually over Cam and his injury situation.

It'd be nice for Cam to have already have an extension, but the injuries have made that not happen. It could still be done before next year, but I think the Panthers will be cautious to see how he truly bounces back.

If he's still here, has the opportunity to earn it all back, and proves he can, then I expect everyone involved will be happy. If he can't prove to himself or anyone else that he can continue to be a franchise QB for the Panthers, then I expect we'll all move on, one way or another.

Please provide proof that Cam said he wanted to stay here long term.  I do not think that has happened, but could be wrong.

It absolutely would not be nice for Cam to have an extension right now.  I cannot see how on Earth you could think that would be a good thing for a QB who can't stay on the field?

What you just posted is hope, which is fine, but the likelihood of any of it happening are slim and none.  I would love nothing more than for Cam to get healthy and decide he wants to finish his career here (healthy of course) but I just can't see it happening.

[philit99]

1 hour ago, Lucian said:

I would see if cincinatti or miami would be willing to trade their pick for our first rounder and cam newron so that we can draft burrow. Probabky a long shot though since both of those teams probably want burrow themselves.

Yep let’s trade that Cam Newron guy for a high pick. I have never even heard of Cam Newron so he must not be any good.

[mc52beast]

1 hour ago, rodeo said:

people are overstating the need for a rebuild. the only thing that needs rebuilt are our o and d lines. our core is already young.

The rebuild needs to start within the building. Get rid of JR’s holdovers and hire competent NFL people. Coaches need to go, starting with Washington.

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Pay cut, learning a new position at 30+, having other interests off field, having more than enough money in his account, his body is already broken, etc....

There are a LOT of reasons that Cam wouldn't want to switch positions.  Just isn't going to happen.

End of the day, I just see very little chance that he plays for us again.

He'd be flat out nuts to accept a position change at this point in his career. 

[Jus Rob]

If we can get a decent o line to protect the Qb who ever it is and every now and then push the d line back on goal line situations yes our Defense  idk

[kungfoodude]

We are a prime candidate for rebuilding given the expiring contracts in the next couple of offseasons. That said, we don't HAVE to do that. This roster has enough talent and a potentially decent young core to build around. Add that with a mixture of veterans that can be assembled through free agency and we don't HAVE to drop off in a big way. TBQH, especially if Cam returns healthy and we don't abuse him(IE fix the OL or schemes to protect him). We can actually, IMO, be a pretty good team next year.

But, we can also nuke the entire thing and tear it down with relative ease, as we have little to no long term contracts to speak of. 

[Bronn]

11 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Please provide proof that Cam said he wanted to stay here long term.  I do not think that has happened, but could be wrong.

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https://twitter.com/PanthersBill/status/1199126915325534209/video/1

 

 

 

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, Bronn said:

 

https://twitter.com/PanthersBill/status/1199126915325534209/video/1

 

 

 

Figured that's what you were reading into.  That is NOT saying that Cam wants to play for the Panthers moving forward, that is saying that he wants to keep his foundation active in CLT moving forward, and that this is his home and where he is comfortable.

Can you provide anything that says that he wants to play football for the Panthers moving forward?

[thefuzz]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

We are a prime candidate for rebuilding given the expiring contracts in the next couple of offseasons. That said, we don't HAVE to do that. This roster has enough talent and a potentially decent young core to build around. Add that with a mixture of veterans that can be assembled through free agency and we don't HAVE to drop off in a big way. TBQH, especially if Cam returns healthy and we don't abuse him(IE fix the OL or schemes to protect him). We can actually, IMO, be a pretty good team next year.

But, we can also nuke the entire thing and tear it down with relative ease, as we have little to no long term contracts to speak of. 

Those two statements really don't go together.

Either we are ripe for a rebuild or we are a piece or two away from a playoff run.  Anything less, and you are spinning your wheels and wasting everyones time.

Who the hell wants to be the Titans or some other 8-8 team.  Let's build a contender.

[Bronn]

4 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Figured that's what you were reading into.  That is NOT saying that Cam wants to play for the Panthers moving forward, that is saying that he wants to keep his foundation active in CLT moving forward, and that this is his home and where he is comfortable.

Can you provide anything that says that he wants to play football for the Panthers moving forward?

JFC how come nobody else is allowed to interpret anything, but you can somehow use your mystical knowledge and believe that Cam won't play another snap here?

Stop being a contrarian just because. That's how people start reading ulterior motives into these discussions.

[rippadonn]

As you guys already know, a franchise QB is the most valuable piece of a franchise.

We need to reload and fire. This isn't a flip the apple cart fire everybody guy. The FO has changed completely.

I like the fact Tepper kept Julius Peppers in the building. I'm sooooo glad he reached out to and embraced Smitty.

I like that he's giving Perry Fewell a chance to win the job as well as Scott Turner. We've often talked on this here site about all the head coach level guys already on staff. Smart move. Tepper gets to look at those two before throwing out the baby with the bathwater like an idiot.

The roster talent isn't far off from being legit. It may piss off a lot of people here but if Cam is healthy he'll be a piece that you won't need to rebuild for 5yrs. Cam has dominated in a tough league. Just the type of player Belicheat would snag and win a couple more SuperBowls with.

Jim Harbuagh makes sense and so does my man Chudzinski. Both could step in and keep the ball moving forward in my opinion.

I just would to see Cam and Chud together again, those were magical years of a guy who actually knew how to play call for and  design plays for our QB to dominate. That was fun. With this defense healthy, even better.

Reload.

 

[Inimicus]

Someone help me out here

 

I was under the impression that unless we trade or release Cam, he doesnt have a say in whether or not he is a Panther and that if he decided to sit out next season at some point in the season we would be grated rights to him in 2021.

Seems to me that If Cam wants to play anywhere he has to at least play out next year in Charlotte if we dont move/release him.

[Borat]

2 hours ago, Lucian said:

I would see if cincinatti or miami would be willing to trade their pick for our first rounder and cam newron so that we can draft burrow. Probabky a long shot though since both of those teams probably want burrow themselves.

That is a pipe dream and a half. 

[thefuzz]

20 minutes ago, Bronn said:

JFC how come nobody else is allowed to interpret anything, but you can somehow use your mystical knowledge and believe that Cam won't play another snap here?

Stop being a contrarian just because. That's how people start reading ulterior motives into these discussions.

You specifically said that Cam said he wanted to play here.  I had not heard that, read that, or sensed that from anything in the world.  I asked you to provide me some proof that Cam said he wanted to play here next year and beyond.

You didn't.  That's all.  He has not said a single word about his future here, and there is likely a good reason for him not.

I'm not trying to be a smartass here, just asking you to show me anything to back up your claim.