Cam Newton plans to have foot surgery

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Where exactly do you expect Cam to go that has a good OL? Bengals, Dolphins, Chargers, Titans, Bears, Bucs and Broncos all have bad OLs. All but the Bears and maybe the Chargers could be considered rebuilds. The rest of the teams in the NFL aren’t looking for a new QB.

This magical football dreamland where everything is perfectly set up for Cam does not exist.

   The only thing I know is it ain’t here. I’m ready to move on. Doesn’t mean Cam is. 
 

   There is no dreamland, but if you can get out of going through the same nightmare, you do it. 

[Navy_football]

36 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

And you don't fire a head coach mid-season unless there's someone on the staff who can step in as an interim. I've heard that conventional wisdom, too.

Cap hit is only one reason.

New head coach, new GM, VP/COO are valid reasons. Doesn't recover from surgery, can't run is another. And the replacement idea- when you say "close to his level of talent," can you narrow that down a bit? Level of talent being the last time we saw him on the field? 2015- 4 years ago talent? Or crystal ball talent- he'll be great in 2021!

Because, while I don't believe Kyle Allen is the answer, he is a better running QB talent that we've seen from Cam in the last 2 seasons.

I think you do fire a coach midseason if you know you're gonna release him at the end of the season. Otherwise, he's walking dead if he knows his impending firing. Or you completely screw yourself and that coach from actively seeking replacements.

I agree that if Cam is not healthy in 2020, the team should probably move on. But early 2018 Cam was good enough to win alot of games and make a deep playoff run - that's the level of talent I'm looking for before just cutting him. 

But I think you're missing my real point. Why cut him for $19M in cap space? That doesn't mean jack if you don't have a competent QB. If you let him get healthy, he'll return alot more to the team either via trade or wins as a starter. 

[firefox1234]

1 hour ago, raleigh-panther said:

19 million for a Qb today is a bargain 

I’ll take Cam Newton with a heated foot and a 80% arm over any of the current draft class and free agents 

newton, meeting that criteria, puts butts in the seats.  The question becomes does he want to be here

ill say this again, I believe Cam would flourish with a Greg Roman or the OC guy in Indy 

there is nothing wrong with that scenario

if he can’t throw  different story but there have been many great qbs that don’t have to throw the ball a milion miles an hr.  He was becoming that guy 

People forget teams like the Jags are paying guy like Foles $88m over 4 years. No matter how savy you are at managing cap and pushing money around, the Jags are and will be paying a bum essentially. I doubt an analytical guy like Tepper doesn't see that and if he risks letting go of Cam and say hitches his wagon on KA or another FA he risks dolling out money for a bum more likely than for a superstar. Tepper will not keep Cam because of some sentimental reason but because the next option is so far off the cliff it is better to hold on to him.

Cam's cap hit next year is nothing when across the league the QB market is as bleak as the Dead Sea.

[thefuzz]

29 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What about the value of that 1st round pick? I'm just very leery of drafting guys with a significant injury history.

Simply trying to project college prospects to the NFL level is difficult enough as is without health red flags being involved.

That 1st round picks value is nothing if you get a starting QB, especially where we are likely to be drafting.  Hell, Burns isn't going to be worth crap if we switch back to a 4/3 with the next coach.

Again, I'm not wishing for Tua, simply stating that value is the main reason we would overlook the injuries to Tua and not Cam.

[onmyown]

So if Allen were to somehow finish 13-3/12-4 playing in the toughest NFC divisions in the last decade you guys think he would’ve just sat for Can who hasn’t played in over a year?

Man I know the Cam fans are new to watching they NFL, but you cam fanatics are dumb as hell. That’s not how football works.

Why he waited until now? Uh because he always waits this long? Why is this surprising? Or just maybe there’s something his doctor told him we don’t know? Or maybe there is just shut we don’t know.

Has nothing to do with Rivera or the Playoffs.

[firefox1234]

6 minutes ago, onmyown said:

So if Allen were to somehow finish 13-3/12-4 playing in the toughest NFC divisions in the last decade you guys think he would’ve just sat for Can who hasn’t played in over a year?

Man I know the Cam fans are new to watching they NFL, but you cam fanatics are dumb as hell. That’s not how football works.

Why he waited until now? Uh because he always waits this long? Why is this surprising? Or just maybe there’s something his doctor told him we don’t know? Or maybe there is just shut we don’t know.

Has nothing to do with Rivera or the Playoffs.

This statement right here tells many folks your not coming from a very genuine place. Just cause you don't say "Cam nut-hugger" doesnt mean people can't see through it.

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

That 1st round picks value is nothing if you get a starting QB, especially where we are likely to be drafting.  Hell, Burns isn't going to be worth crap if we switch back to a 4/3 with the next coach.

Again, I'm not wishing for Tua, simply stating that value is the main reason we would overlook the injuries to Tua and not Cam.

Opportunity cost has very real value. That's the part you're missing.

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Opportunity cost has very real value. That's the part you're missing.

The opportunity to acquire a good starting QB in the NFL that would average 4M per year is worth more than just about anything in football not called a Belichick.

Have you seen how fast the Ravens have been able to build around Lamar?  How fast the Chiefs were contenders with Mahommes?  How quick the Hawks got to two Super Bowls with Russell?

That's the value here, 5 years of good QB play for CHEAP.  

Again, not stomping my feet for him, but if we get rid of Cam, I do want to see us to a real rebuild and get this ship righted.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

The opportunity to acquire a good starting QB in the NFL that would average 4M per year is worth more than just about anything in football not called a Belichick.

Have you seen how fast the Ravens have been able to build around Lamar?  How fast the Chiefs were contenders with Mahommes?  How quick the Hawks got to two Super Bowls with Russell?

That's the value here, 5 years of good QB play for CHEAP.  

Again, not stomping my feet for him, but if we get rid of Cam, I do want to see us to a real rebuild and get this ship righted.

You're acting like it's a sure thing. There were people not sold on his transition to the NFL prior to the major hip injury. Tua has now had lingering ankle and knee injuries and now a major hip injury while in college. He has huge medical red flags. This is the type of draft pick that gets GMs fired when the issue that was well known to everyone continues to be an issue that significantly costs the team going forward.

[onmyown]

26 minutes ago, firefox1234 said:

This statement right here tells many folks your not coming from a very genuine place. Just cause you don't say "Cam nut-hugger" doesnt mean people can't see through it.

I am definitely not hiding the fact I’m calling out cam not huggers, what are you talking about?

Imagine being so infatuated with a player you think after surgery, rust and over a year of not playing that he should come in and we should sit a 13-3/12-5 QB (who didn’t lose 2 himself) going into the playoffs? What kinds of game shape are these people thinking cam would be in, or would it even matter? I mean when has this ever happened? On what planet? That would never happen in the NFL.

 It just isn’t logically unless you’re emotionally attached and delusional about a player good grief it’s weird and slightly creepy and as a fan of the team, and watching football in general the past 25 years, it’s baffling.

[trueblade]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You're acting like it's a sure thing. There were people not sold on his transition to the NFL prior to the major hip injury. Tua has now had lingering ankle and knee injuries and now a major hip injury while in college. He has huge medical red flags. This is the type of draft pick that gets GMs fired when the issue that was well known to everyone continues to be an issue that significantly costs the team going forward.

I don't understand people who think a guy who couldn't stay healthy in college will suddenly stay healthy in the NFL where everyone is bigger, faster, and stronger, and he won't be surrounded with as superior of a supporting cast. I'm not saying the young man can't have success, but I'd be very leary of drafting him if I was a GM.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, trueblade said:

I don't understand people who think a guy who couldn't stay healthy in college will suddenly stay healthy in the NFL where everyone is bigger, faster, and stronger, and he won't be surrounded with as superior of a supporting cast. I'm not saying the young man can't have success, but I'd be very leary of drafting him if I was a GM.

It's happened before. Frank Gore tore his ACL twice in college but has been one of the most remarkably durable and long-lasting RBs that I can remember at the NFL level. The guy went seven years straight without missing a game. At RB!

But, yeah... that usually doesn't happen.

[thefuzz]

46 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You're acting like it's a sure thing. There were people not sold on his transition to the NFL prior to the major hip injury. Tua has now had lingering ankle and knee injuries and now a major hip injury while in college. He has huge medical red flags. This is the type of draft pick that gets GMs fired when the issue that was well known to everyone continues to be an issue that significantly costs the team going forward.

Again, not stumping for him, explaining the thought pattern is all.

Yes, it's a gamble, but that's always the case with the draft.  If he checks out fully, and falls to us, I can certainly see us pulling the trigger.

[thefuzz]

42 minutes ago, trueblade said:

I don't understand people who think a guy who couldn't stay healthy in college will suddenly stay healthy in the NFL where everyone is bigger, faster, and stronger, and he won't be surrounded with as superior of a supporting cast. I'm not saying the young man can't have success, but I'd be very leary of drafting him if I was a GM.

QB desperate teams will do anything to get a good one.  That means hoping he can stay healthy.

I don't agree with that notion, but many fans can talk themselves into it.