Gettleman vs Hurney... who is the better GM

[SmokinwithWilly]

25 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Because reality check .. There are ppl in this forum who think Gman was the god of GM's and make every excuse for the poo he did.. While other ppl have no lives and only get happiness by watching ppl argue the same poo they have for 3 years now. 

And there are some people that think Hurney walks on water because he can hit a 1st round pick.

They're both still poop.

[Icege]

1 hour ago, mc52beast said:

Giants cut Jenkins because of insensitive comments he made to a fan... basically the only decent corner they have

Jenkins also questioned coaching decisions and complained about being in zone when wanting to play man coverage.

[bobowilson]

Bill Barnwell wrote this about Gettleman yesterday in his column about the best head coaching job openings, and why New York was unattractive due to Gettleman

 

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Gettleman's two-year run in charge of the Giants has been disastrous, and while the former Panthers GM inherited a roster bereft of young talent, his moves have done little to shore things up. His controversial decision to draft running back Saquon Barkley with the second overall pick has not aged well; as talented as Barkley clearly is, he hasn't been able to single-handedly build a running game, which is what he needed to do to justify being selected over the likes of quarterback Sam Darnold and guard Quenton Nelson, let alone the best runner in his class, Lamar Jackson. Other 2018 picks such as guard Will Hernandez and outside linebacker Lorenzo Carter don't appear to be difference-makers after two seasons.

Even if you think it's too early to evaluate the draft picks, Gettleman's decisions with veterans have gone horribly. He made former Patriots left tackle Nate Solder the highest-paid offensive lineman in league history in the spring of 2018, but Solder has allowed 17.5 sacks, per Stats LCC data, over the ensuing two seasons. Gettleman followed by signing guard Patrick Omameh to a three-year, $15.5 million deal, only to cut Omameh after seven games. Adding 31-year-old receiver Golden Tate made little sense for a rebuilding team, as did bizarre trades for the likes of linebacker Alec Ogletree and defensive lineman Leonard Williams. Gettleman's plan to build around running the football and "hog mollies" seemed antiquated, but the Ravens have built their offensive philosophy around that model and have the league's best offense. The problem is that the players Gettleman has acquired to fill out his plan aren't good enough to pull it off.

 

The jury is still out Gettleman's two draft classes, but 2019 first-rounder DeAndre Baker has been one of the worst corners -- and starters -- in football so far. Gettleman's best selection so far, adjusting for draft position, has likely been fifth-round pick Darius Slayton. The problem, of course, is that Slayton has taken the spot in the lineup that previously belonged to franchise icon Odell Beckham Jr. While Beckham has had an underwhelming season in Cleveland, retaining him would have given rookie quarterback Daniel Jones a legitimate No. 1 receiver.

Jones' first season has been inconsistent. After leading the Giants to a comeback victory over the Bucs and a win over Washington, he lost eight straight before going down with a high ankle sprain. He hasn't had much help up front, but he has shown virtually no pocket awareness. Jones has fumbled 15 times in 11 games, and while his stat line is several grades above that of Haskins, a lot of it has been thanks to friendly matchups. He threw 10 touchdown passes without an interception against the Bucs (who rank 19th in pass defense DVOA), Lions (25th) and Jets (22nd). He has otherwise thrown eight touchdown passes against 11 picks in his other matchups.

[WOW!!]

12 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

And there are some people that think Hurney walks on water because he can hit a 1st round pick.

They're both still poop.

Agreed.. Nethier  has back to back winning seasons so what is the point of these shitty threads??

[top dawg]

I have praised Gentleman & criticised him! I was once even accused of being a Gettleman nut hugger. I have criticised Hurney, especially on some of his contracts, and praised him. I've been accused of being a Hurney apologist. 

I think that I've been fair minded and analytical about both. 

I say this to say that some of y'all are just blind and/or full of it pertaining to both.

[SmokinwithWilly]

Boredom because we are having to endure another crappy season.

[WOW!!]

5 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Boredom because we are having to endure another crappy season.

Draft, new head coach, new GM and staff player directions.. Many other worthy things to argue about than opening wounds on a 3 year old debate. 

[MasterAwesome]

11 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

Bill Barnwell wrote this about Gettleman yesterday in his column about the best head coaching job openings, and why New York was unattractive due to Gettleman

 

"

 

Gettleman's two-year run in charge of the Giants has been disastrous, and while the former Panthers GM inherited a roster bereft of young talent, his moves have done little to shore things up. His controversial decision to draft running back Saquon Barkley with the second overall pick has not aged well; as talented as Barkley clearly is, he hasn't been able to single-handedly build a running game, which is what he needed to do to justify being selected over the likes of quarterback Sam Darnold and guard Quenton Nelson, let alone the best runner in his class, Lamar Jackson. Other 2018 picks such as guard Will Hernandez and outside linebacker Lorenzo Carter don't appear to be difference-makers after two seasons.

Even if you think it's too early to evaluate the draft picks, Gettleman's decisions with veterans have gone horribly. He made former Patriots left tackle Nate Solder the highest-paid offensive lineman in league history in the spring of 2018, but Solder has allowed 17.5 sacks, per Stats LCC data, over the ensuing two seasons. Gettleman followed by signing guard Patrick Omameh to a three-year, $15.5 million deal, only to cut Omameh after seven games. Adding 31-year-old receiver Golden Tate made little sense for a rebuilding team, as did bizarre trades for the likes of linebacker Alec Ogletree and defensive lineman Leonard Williams. Gettleman's plan to build around running the football and "hog mollies" seemed antiquated, but the Ravens have built their offensive philosophy around that model and have the league's best offense. The problem is that the players Gettleman has acquired to fill out his plan aren't good enough to pull it off.

 

The jury is still out Gettleman's two draft classes, but 2019 first-rounder DeAndre Baker has been one of the worst corners -- and starters -- in football so far. Gettleman's best selection so far, adjusting for draft position, has likely been fifth-round pick Darius Slayton. The problem, of course, is that Slayton has taken the spot in the lineup that previously belonged to franchise icon Odell Beckham Jr. While Beckham has had an underwhelming season in Cleveland, retaining him would have given rookie quarterback Daniel Jones a legitimate No. 1 receiver.

Jones' first season has been inconsistent. After leading the Giants to a comeback victory over the Bucs and a win over Washington, he lost eight straight before going down with a high ankle sprain. He hasn't had much help up front, but he has shown virtually no pocket awareness. Jones has fumbled 15 times in 11 games, and while his stat line is several grades above that of Haskins, a lot of it has been thanks to friendly matchups. He threw 10 touchdown passes without an interception against the Bucs (who rank 19th in pass defense DVOA), Lions (25th) and Jets (22nd). He has otherwise thrown eight touchdown passes against 11 picks in his other matchups.

Sounds a lot like Kyle Allen...except one was undrafted and one was picked 6th overall lol.

[SmokinwithWilly]

11 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Draft, new head coach, new GM and staff player directions.. Many other worthy things to argue about than opening wounds on a 3 year old debate. 

Agreed, but most of those things get very little attention here. Main forum is not the place for educated football conversation right now.

[mav1234]

22 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Sounds a lot like Kyle Allen...except one was undrafted and one was picked 6th overall lol.

I have been saying that Allen compares favorably to most QBs drafted the last 2 years, other than Lamar Jackson & Kyler Murray.  That doesn't mean I think we build around him, but it has been impressive all the same given how little we have invested in him.  At least we got a good backup for basically nothing. In that regard, Hurney wins over Gettleman, lol.  But then you have to consider the 3rd round pick of a QB last year that hasn't seen the field despite the... situation on offense. Heh.

[Mvp2014]

Gettleman all day

[BerryLoMein]

Hurn Dwag built two teams Super Bowl caliber teams. What has Gettle dude done? Danny Dime?! Get that outta here.

[pantherj]

Gettleman's blunder of signing Kalil is still hurting our team, and next season we'll be hit hard again to the tune of $9,800,000. This is a player who everyone on the Huddle thought was terrible, and any random football fan could tell you was bad. Gettleman thought he was worth an elite contract because he was a terrible GM. fuging terrible. I wish I could personally hire him just to fire him again. He needed to be double fired. Never again.

[Shotgun]

They both suck but I think Hurney is the king of suck.